Evidence of meeting #93 for Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was volunteer.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Trevor Moss  Chief Executive Officer, Central Okanagan Food Bank
Megan Conway  President, Volunteer Canada
Shiven Khera  Treasurer, Age-Link Society
Christina Bisanz  Chief Executive Officer, Community and Home Assistance to Seniors

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Mr. Van Bynen.

It's not my prerogative to tell them when to leave. The meeting will conclude at one o'clock as scheduled, and the committee can't reinvite whoever it chooses.

We will now return.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

Michael Coteau Liberal Don Valley East, ON

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

Can I request that the member speaking refer to facts? Even recently she said there are rumours out there that the Prime Minister's been making phone calls.

12:50 p.m.

Bloc

Louise Chabot Bloc Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Mr. Chair, the interpreter can't...

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

You're right that it is debate, but I'm going to be very strict on the members sticking to the motion that's currently on the floor. As you know, these are the rules that you adopted and accepted.

For any member, I will advise them on two occasions. If they are not staying relevant, then I'll move to the next speaker on the list.

I will go to Madame Chabot.

Madame Chabot, were you attempting to raise a point of order?

12:50 p.m.

Bloc

Louise Chabot Bloc Thérèse-De Blainville, QC

Yes, Mr. Chair.

What I want to say has nothing to do with the motion, but I would like to point out that there was no interpretation of Mr. Coteau's remarks, because of sound problems. I think it's my right to tell you when I do not have access to interpretation.

12:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Madame Chabot. You are correct.

Can the interpreters comment on Mr. Coteau?

Actually, I'm going to stop there, because I did not rule it as relevant, Madame Chabot, but what I did make clear is that I will follow very closely the relevancy of the motion.

Mrs. Falk, you have the floor.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

Ms. Chabot, can you hear me? Okay. Thank you.

To go back to what I was saying, Mr. Chair, with Bill C-234, I believe and I think many around this table believe that it will lower food prices—grocery prices—in this country, which would make life more affordable for Canadians. Like I said, when the farmer who grows the food is taxed and the shipper who trucks the food is taxed and you tax the stores that sell the food, who pays for that? Canadians do.

I think that it is fully imperative that our committee, especially with the purview our committee deals with, which has been set on income security.... We have a lot of those programs that come through this committee. We look at the six ministers who have mandates through this committee touching on families, seniors, Canadians with disabilities and, of course, workers as well.

I think it is imperative that we ask those senators to come to committee and let them know how we feel about this: that it is something that shouldn't be used to play political games and that it should be passed in a very timely manner. Also, the Senate should recognize the will of the House. Members of Parliament are elected to this place. Senators are appointed. I think, especially when we're talking about a tax bill, that the upper chamber should listen to the lower chamber, because we are elected people representing those who have elected us to be here.

With that, I do want to say that there has been a precedent also in this committee for us to write to have groups, CEOs or other people to—

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Mrs. Falk, you have made that point several times in a row. You said the committee to write to....

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

No, I'm not...which is what I'm getting to here. It's for those senators. I'm saying that there is a precedent in this committee. We have done that regarding Air Canada. The Air Canada CEO wrote to us and said he wasn't going to come. We moved a motion. We talked about it and decided that, no, he needs to come and be held accountable to this committee. This is what I am saying—

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Mrs. Falk—

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

There's a precedent. We have done this before.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Mrs. Falk, please bring your comments to—

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Rosemarie Falk Conservative Battlefords—Lloydminster, SK

I absolutely think our committee can write to those senators and ask for them to come.

Thank you, Chair.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

I have a point of order, Chair.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Clearly state your point of order.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

What I heard Ms. Falk referring to was, to answer your question, Mr. Chair, that this committee has called on things to happen. We have written to call for things to happen, so this is not an unusual request. That's what Mrs. Falk was referring to.

Saying that this committee calls for things to happen is an accurate statement. We have done that before, even during this Parliament, so I just wanted to bring that up, Mr. Chair.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Mrs. Gray, that is not a point of order.

I'll go to Ms. Ferreri, who had the floor next.

Mrs. Falk, you had ceded the floor.

Ms. Ferreri, you have the floor.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Ferreri Conservative Peterborough—Kawartha, ON

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to my colleague, Mrs. Gray, for putting forward this motion.

For those who haven't been following this, the motion is as follows:

That, given that:

(a) the carbon tax threatens the income security of farmers, farm workers, and employment in the agricultural sector;

(b) the Senate is expected to vote on Bill C-234 to remove the carbon tax from grain drying and barn heating;

(c) Canadian farmers have called upon the Senate to pass this important legislation;

(d) Bill C-234 would save farmers one billion dollars—

That's according to the PBO as well, Mr. Chair.

—and help lower food prices for Canadians;

the committee call upon Senators who are delaying the passage of the legislation to stop playing political games with the livelihoods of Canadian farmers, recognize the decision of the elected House of Commons, and pass Bill C-234 into law without further delay.

This is important in this HUMA committee, because, in the House of Commons, there were 176 votes in favour—“yea” votes—that passed Bill C-234, and there were 146 “nay” votes. You were in those 176 votes, Mr. Chair. You voted in favour of that bill. Thank you very much for that. I know that you believe in standing up for farmers and helping to make life more affordable.

Then it went to the Senate. This is a tax bill. We're merely just waiting for the passage of this. I'll note for those watching that the whole point of this motion is that, if we can't get this bill passed and it's in the hands of the Senate, we have a major problem. It ties into many things that we study in this committee.

The summary of Bill C-234 says, “This enactment amends the Greenhouse Gas Pollution Pricing Act to expand the definition of eligible farming machinery and extend the exemption for qualifying farming fuel to marketable natural gas and propane.”

With regard to the motion, the member for Foothills, our colleague, has shared this numerous times in the House. He's also the critic for agriculture.

12:55 p.m.

NDP

Bonita Zarrillo NDP Port Moody—Coquitlam, BC

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair.

On behalf of the NDP, I want to thank the witnesses for today and really apologize for what's happened. I'm really sorry that we didn't get the chance to question or hear from you.

Thank you.

12:55 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Thank you, Ms. Zarrillo. That is not a point of order.

Ms. Ferreri, you have the floor.

12:55 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Ferreri Conservative Peterborough—Kawartha, ON

Mr. Barlow, the shadow minister or critic for agriculture, has talked about the threatened income security of farmers, which is pertinent to the motion.

There is a chicken farmer in his riding whose carbon tax was $120,000 in 2022. It will be $180,000 in 2023. When the tax goes up to $170 per tonne, it will be $480,000 in carbon tax per year. What people also don't know is that there is a tax on a tax. It is absolutely asinine when you think about how these farmers, who give their blood, sweat and tears, are taxed on a tax.

There's also the mushroom farmer who we've seen making headlines in Carleton. He has a full breakdown of his costs that people can find online. It was $150,000 in carbon tax. That's carbon tax.

That's what we are fighting for here today, and that's what this motion is about when we talk about threatening the income security of farmers, which ultimately threatens—

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

Ms. Ferreri, I have to interrupt.

It is now one o'clock.

Do I have unanimous consent to proceed?

1 p.m.

Liberal

Peter Fragiskatos Liberal London North Centre, ON

No.

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bobby Morrissey

The debate on the motion is adjourned.

The meeting is adjourned.