Evidence of meeting #29 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was federal.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Raymond Guénette  Acting Chief Administrator, Office of the Chief Adminsitrator, Courts Administration Service, Federal Court of Canada
Wayne Garnons-Williams  Acting Registrar, Registry Branch, Courts Administration Service, Federal Court of Canada
John Frecker  President, Legistec Inc.
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. William Farrell
Jennifer Bird  Committee Researcher

December 12th, 2006 / 9:05 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

We'll begin our committee hearing this morning as we continue our study of refugee issues.

Today we will be dealing with the backlog in the Federal Court. To help us understand the problem of backlogs and how best to deal with that problem, we've invited witnesses to come along this morning. We have witnesses from the Federal Court of Canada, who will be here from now until about 10 a.m., after which we have more witnesses coming in.

I welcome you to our committee meeting this morning. As you are aware, I think you have opening remarks that you will make, and generally these run about ten minutes or so, after which we open our meeting to committee members, who might want to ask questions or have a discussion with you about your statement and what have you.

I will pass it over to you, gentlemen. You can introduce yourselves, and we'll begin our committee meeting. There is an interpretation device down below, and it might be better for hearing purposes if you plug it in. I noticed that you were straining a little bit to hear me, and my flu doesn't help any. Maybe you could use your little earpiece and you will hear me a lot better.

I'll just pass it over to you to make your opening statement.

Thank you.

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Raymond Guénette Acting Chief Administrator, Office of the Chief Adminsitrator, Courts Administration Service, Federal Court of Canada

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

My name is Raymond Guénette, and I am the acting chief administrator of the Courts Administration Service. I am with Wayne Garnons-Williams, who is the registrar of the Federal Court of Canada.

Thank you for this opportunity to provide information on the operations of the Courts Administration Service in the Federal Court registry, immigration applications for leaves for judicial review, and judicial review procedures.

I would first like to make a point of clarification regarding the first item in the notice of meeting for the orders of the day, which says “Refugee Issues-Federal Court backlogs”. Federal Court backlogs are a thing of the past. The Federal Court is up to date in substantially all its work. That's very important.

I'll provide you with some contextual information regarding the organization that I head, the Courts Administration Service. The Courts Administration Service is a relatively new organization that came into force in 2003, and it evolved from the old regime of the Federal Court of Canada.

Yes, Madame?

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Bloc

Meili Faille Bloc Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

The translation can't keep up.

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Acting Chief Administrator, Office of the Chief Adminsitrator, Courts Administration Service, Federal Court of Canada

Raymond Guénette

Am I too fast?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Our translators can't keep up, so maybe you could slow down a little bit.

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Bloc

Meili Faille Bloc Vaudreuil—Soulanges, QC

Because then we can't understand what you're saying.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Yes.

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Acting Chief Administrator, Office of the Chief Adminsitrator, Courts Administration Service, Federal Court of Canada

Raymond Guénette

In my field, I am used to being brief.

The Courts Administration Service Act provides for a unified provision of administrative services for the four federal courts: the Federal Court of Appeal, the Federal Court, the Court Martial Appeal Court of Canada, and the Tax Court of Canada, each one of them being a superior court of record.

The chief administrator is the deputy head of the Courts Administration Service, and the chief administrator has all the powers necessary for the overall effective and efficient management of the administration of all four courts. There's one central administration for all four courts.

The chief administrator must consult with the four chief justices in relation to administrative matters pertaining to the operations of their own courts. The Courts Administration Service Act does distinguish between administrative functions, which fall under the chief administrator's jurisdiction, and judicial functions, which fall under the judiciary.

Consultation and coordination between the administrative and judicial activities are key to ensuring the optimal administration of justice for all Canadians, but primacy of the act is accorded to the judiciary, as the chief justices may issue binding directions in writing to the chief administrator with respect to any matter within their authority. No such binding directions have been issued so far.

The Federal Court is presided by Chief Justice Allan Lutfy. There are 33 Federal Court judges and five Prothonotaries in the Federal Court. There is currently one position for prothonotary that is vacant. In 2005, there were 9,731 proceedings instituted in the CAS Federal Court registry of which approximately 6,000 were refugee cases. During that year, 6,939 cases were determined by the Federal Court in the refugee area. These decisions were in the context of applications for judicial review, which process is described in the following section.

Immigration and refugee matters fall under the statutory jurisdiction of the Federal Court, which can hear applications to review decisions made by the Immigration and Refugee Board, Citizenship and Immigration Canada and the Canada Border Services Agency pursuant to the Federal Courts Act and the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act. Section 18 of the Federal Courts Act gives the Federal Court exclusive judicial review jurisdiction over certain administrative tribunals.

The Immigration and Refugee Board, being a federal board, commission or tribunal, falls within the general review powers of the Federal Court. In most cases, it is necessary to obtain leave by a judge of the Federal Court under section 72(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act to commence an application for judicial review in the Federal Court.

Upon leave for judicial review being granted, the six grounds of review of a decision of a board, commission or tribunal by the Federal Court are found in section 18.1(4) of the Federal Courts Act.

I believe that you have a copy of the text. I will not read aloud each one of the six grounds for review, unless you wish that I do so.

On the application for leave for judicial review, there is a step-by-step process in the immigration and refugee context.

The applicant files an application for leave and for judicial review and serves certified copies on the respondent within 15 days of notification of the tribunal decision. The applicant pays a $50 filing fee, as set out in the federal immigration rules. The applicant must also file proof of service within 10 days of service.

The respondent files a notice of appearance and proof of service within 10 days from the service of the application. If required, the Federal Court registry will send a request to the tribunal for written reasons, or a notice that none exists.

The applicant must prepare and file a record, with proof of service, within 30 days of instituting the proceeding, or 30 days from receipt of the tribunal's reasons. The respondent then has 30 days to file the affidavit and memorandum of argument, together with proof of service. The applicant may file a reply memorandum within 10 days of service of the respondent's memorandum.

The application for leave is then considered without personal appearance of the parties to the proceeding. If leave is refused there's no appeal, and that concludes the case and closes the file.

Should the applicant be granted leave for judicial review, the next step in the process is moving from the application-for-leave stage to the process of judicial review.

I will briefly summarize the judicial review procedure.

If leave for judicial review is granted, a Federal Court order is issued, setting out details and time limits for the filing of further material, together with the date, time and place set for the hearing of the judicial review application.

The Federal Court registry sends the Federal Court order granting leave to the tribunal. The tribunal prepares a record and sends certified copies to the parties as well as to the Clerk of the Federal Court Registry.

The matter is heard and a decision is rendered by the Federal Court.

Should an error under one of the six grounds for review be found to have been made by the lower level tribunal, the tribunal decision is overturned by the Federal Court and the original decision is sent back to the tribunal for reconsideration.

The Federal Court judge rendering a decision of an immigration judicial review, may certify a question for appeal to the Federal Court of Appeal.

For a question to be certified, it must be “a serious question of general importance” and must invite the Court of Appeal to deal with the specific decision under appeal.

Should a question be certified from the Federal Court judicial review decision, the next step in the process is moving from the “judicial review” stage of the process to the “appeal” stage of the process.

I'll briefly explain the process before the Federal Court of Appeal.

An appeal to the Federal Court of Appeal must be filed within 30 days after the pronouncement of the Federal Court judgment under appeal.

The Court of Appeal is not restricted to answering the certified question. All issues raised in the appeal may be considered by the Court of Appeal.

It is, naturally, an opportunity to file an application for leave to the Supreme Court of Canada from the Federal Court of Appeal. However, I won't go into that process.

I stated earlier that 6,939 refugee cases were determined by the Federal Court in 2005. Of these cases, application for leave or judicial review were granted in 1,034 files.

That concludes my opening remarks.

We are both available for questions.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Thank you, Mr. Guénette.

I will now go to committee members. Our first member is Mr. Andrew Telegdi, who will have seven minutes.

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Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

Thank you very much for appearing before us.

I know you usually take 6,000 cases a year related to refugees; you mentioned that on the third page. And it mentions that you disposed of 6,939, so you cleared up a backlog of 939 from previous years.

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Acting Chief Administrator, Office of the Chief Adminsitrator, Courts Administration Service, Federal Court of Canada

Raymond Guénette

That's correct.

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Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

I'm interested in looking at the number of cases you could class successful, and that was 1,034 out of approximately 6,000.

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Acting Chief Administrator, Office of the Chief Adminsitrator, Courts Administration Service, Federal Court of Canada

Raymond Guénette

Yes, 1,034, that's correct.

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Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

That's about one-seventh.

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Acting Chief Administrator, Office of the Chief Adminsitrator, Courts Administration Service, Federal Court of Canada

Raymond Guénette

That's correct.

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Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

One-seventh successful.

What percentage of the court's time is taken up hearing refugee cases?

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Acting Chief Administrator, Office of the Chief Adminsitrator, Courts Administration Service, Federal Court of Canada

Raymond Guénette

I'm sorry, I didn't hear you.

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Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

What percentage of the court's time is taken up hearing refugee cases?

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Acting Chief Administrator, Office of the Chief Adminsitrator, Courts Administration Service, Federal Court of Canada

Raymond Guénette

That's a very good question. I really couldn't answer that.

For a full case to go through the process, it takes, on average, I believe, 4.1 to 4.6 months. But as far as the court case itself, it depends on the filing, it depends on the thickness of the file, how many documents the judge has to read. It could be, and I'm only guessing here, from 10 minutes to 10 hours. It depends on every single file that comes before the court. They're all different. It depends on the issues they have to look at.

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Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

One of the things we were debating in the past is having a refugee appeal division within the Immigration and Refugee Board.

I guess the judges are all very aware there's no appeal to the decision within--RAD doesn't exist, so there's no appeal of the decision of the board members within the IRB. They recognize that if they turn down an appeal, if a mistake is made, it's not going to be caught.

How mindful are the judges of the fact that there's no appeal to the refugee division, and to what extent might it influence their handling of the case?

You might not be the one to ask.

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Acting Chief Administrator, Office of the Chief Adminsitrator, Courts Administration Service, Federal Court of Canada

Raymond Guénette

I'm not the one who is able to answer that question. That would be—

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Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

Let me rephrase it. I have worked in the judicial system before and had commentary from judges. Essentially what they say is that they recognize they're all fallible, and they sleep better at night knowing that their decisions can be appealed to a higher court in case they make a mistake, because all judges will make mistakes.

I guess the members of the judiciary would be very much aware as to what happens with no internal appeal provisions.

Coming around another way, and perhaps this question should be put to a judge from the Federal Court, if there were an appeal process within the IRB, then it would seem that instead of hearing 6,000 or 7,000 cases in one year, they probably would end up hearing fewer cases.

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Acting Chief Administrator, Office of the Chief Adminsitrator, Courts Administration Service, Federal Court of Canada

Raymond Guénette

That is definitely a possibility.

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Liberal

Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON

One of the things the committee is trying to get a handle on is how much the refugee appeals cases costs for the Federal Court.

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Acting Chief Administrator, Office of the Chief Adminsitrator, Courts Administration Service, Federal Court of Canada

Raymond Guénette

We figured out the cost, as far as the filing and the staff, but not the judicial costs, and the total for the 4.1 to 4.6 months is $1,277.43. We've considered the filing fee, staff salaries, and what not.