Evidence of meeting #18 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was worker.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Roslyn Kunin  Director, British Columbia Office, Canada West Foundation
Martin Collacott  Senior Fellow, Fraser Institute
Don DeVoretz  Professor of Economics, Co-Director and Principal Investigator of the Centre of Excellence on Immigration and Integration, Simon Fraser University, Canadian Immigration Policy Council
David Fairey  Researcher, Trade Union Research Bureau, British Columbia and Yukon Territory Building and Construction Trades Council
Wayne Peppard  Executive Director, British Columbia and Yukon Territory Building and Construction Trades Council
Joe Barrett  Researcher, British Columbia and Yukon Territory Building and Construction Trades Council
Lualhati Alcuitas  Grassroots Women
Erika Del Carmen Fuchs  Organizer, Justicia for Migrant Workers--British Columbia
Tung Chan  Chief Executive Officer, S.U.C.C.E.S.S.
Denise Valdecantos  Board Member, Philippine Women Centre of BC
Mildred German  Member, Filipino-Canadian Youth Alliance - National, Philippine Women Centre of BC
Alex Stojicevic  Chair, National Citizenship and Immigration Law Section, Canadian Bar Association
Carmel Wiseman  Lawyer, Policy and Legal Services Department, Law Society of British Columbia
Nancy Salloum  Chairperson, Canadian Society of Immigration Practitioners
Elie Hani  Vice-Chair, Canadian Society of Immigration Practitioners

3:55 p.m.

Erika Del Carmen Fuchs Organizer, Justicia for Migrant Workers--British Columbia

I've timed my speech. It should be seven minutes.

I apologize for not translating it into French, but I am very pleased to be here and I hope you will listen to what I'm going to say.

Thank you very much for the opportunity to speak before the standing committee.

My name is Erika Del Carmen Fuchs, and I'm an organizer with Justicia for Migrant Workers B.C. Since 2005 we've been advocating for and working with seasonal migrant farm workers brought in under the federal seasonal agricultural workers program, the SAWP, with over 2,500 workers now coming from Mexico and the Caribbean to B.C.

We are part of the Migrant Justice Network, which includes various sectors--community organizations, unions such as the Canadian Labour Congress, churches, migrant workers, and other concerned individuals. You will hear from others in the network in coming days.

We are also part of an economic security project with the Canadian Centre for Policy Alternatives and SFU and UBC, as you heard before, which looks at the impacts of weakening provincial employment standards on immigrant and migrant farm workers. This report will be out shortly. We echo many of those recommendations.

In our numerous visits and direct contacts with migrant farm workers, we see firsthand their conditions--in particular, the sometimes substandard and even appalling housing conditions, as well as the medical, social, labour, and other problems they face.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

I think I'm going to have to slow you down for the interpreters.

3:55 p.m.

Organizer, Justicia for Migrant Workers--British Columbia

Erika Del Carmen Fuchs

I need to finish. I have to get to the last part.

3:55 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

No, please don't hurry. We'll give you every opportunity to try to get through it.

3:55 p.m.

Organizer, Justicia for Migrant Workers--British Columbia

Erika Del Carmen Fuchs

Thank you. I translate all the time, so I understand; I'm sorry.

We are here to recommend that the standing committee take forward the issue of giving temporary migrant workers permanent resident status, as their temporary status really provides the foundation for the exploitation and abuse they often face. Obviously it's not by all employers, but we cannot leave it to employers to decide whether they're good or bad employers. We have to make sure it's taken care of at another level.

SAWP workers have a strong attachment as labour and contribute greatly to the economy of our country. Over 80% of these workers come back year after year, since the agriculture sector, as acknowledged by the CIC, along with the caregiver sector are experiencing a recurring or growing labour shortage. That can be debated, obviously.

SAWP is one of the oldest temporary foreign worker programs in the country, since 1966 employing workers under skill level D. It is well known for having some of the most restrictive work permits that prevent workers from exercising basic rights and freedoms that are considered fundamental for all Canadians, according to the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms. Workers under contract have the same rights as Canadian workers, I should add.

These restrictions include the following: lack of equitable access to permanent residency in spite of having a substantial Canadian work history; lack of labour mobility, as they are tied to one single employer; lack of freedom of mobility, as they have to live under the employer's chosen accommodation, who often restrict and control their right to receive visitors, in violation of their basic civil rights; lack of appeal mechanisms, forcing many workers to remain silent out of fear of being expelled from the program; exclusion and discrimination from provincial employment standards and public medical health coverage; and lack of enforcement and monitoring of labour practices, health and safety, and housing conditions.

We are disappointed and discouraged not only in regard to the inaction of the federal government on critical issues of the program--absence of compliance, monitoring, enforcement, access to full rights, and permanent residency--but also because through new federal government initiatives such as the proposed Canadian experience class, workers' vulnerability to employer abuse will be intensified if the assessment process is slanted towards a positive employer reference. We are opposed to this disturbing trend of accelerating employers' access to temporary foreign workers without meaningful initiatives put forward to address the structural flaws with the already existing program such as the SAWP and LCP.

We urge the standing committee to push to extend the right to regularization to workers currently employed under the SAWP, and retroactively for workers previously employed under the program. Many of these workers have been coming to Canada for 15 to 20 years, yet the point system does not enable them any opportunity to gain permanent status in Canada. These new proposals coming forth keep excluding and denying these workers basic rights and citizenship.

Also, we ask for provisions for family reunification to allow migrant workers' families to apply for residency, and to end the repatriations, especially in the absence of appeal mechanisms. As the SAWP contract is an employer-sponsored one, workers are repatriated basically for standing up for their rights.

Workers' temporary status is the foundation for much of the exploitation and abuse that exists under these guest worker programs. This ranges from withholding needed and requested documentation from them, such as their passports and records of employment, to worker accidents and illnesses that have resulted in permanent disabilities and numerous deaths. Even when workers have access to the financial and legal resources to defend their rights, their temporary status leaves them vulnerable, as the case of the RAV line workers leaves very clear. And most migrant workers do not have access to any financial or legal resources to fight their cases.

I, as well as other Justicia organizers in B.C. and Ontario, have been witness to many tragic cases. I hope these cases will highlight some of the pitfalls of these programs and enlighten the standing committee to push for regularization and permanent resident status for foreign workers, instead of relegating them to a temporary status that leaves them vulnerable to employer exploitation and abuse.

In December 2005 I was with Javier, a SAWP worker, before, during, and after he had his second full stroke, which was provoked by a workplace accident, something that may have been prevented or minimized had he had access to a CAT scan after his first stroke only days earlier. But because he was a temporary worker, B.C. still had not given him MSP provincial health coverage, so he did not get the appropriate medical attention he needed. His employer, Purewal Blueberry Farms in Pitt Meadows, was prepared to send him back as he was, after the first stroke, partially paralyzed at that moment. Only because we stayed with him was he able to get medical attention. However, he is now back in Mexico, permanently disabled for life, without the proper medical attention or financial support.

I just recently returned from Mexico, where I met many SAWP workers and their families, among them two widows of two former workers--one who died a few years ago and one who died earlier this year, whom I was sadly fortunate enough to meet in December before he died.

Alicia is a widow whose husband had chemicals spill on him at work in an Ontario greenhouse. The employer would not even allow him to take a shower after the spill, much less take him for needed medical follow-up. Based on this chemical spill, he had complications from which he later died. Alicia receives no compensation from either the Mexican or Canadian government for this. What is her alternative in this case--to come to Canada through the program that resulted in the death of her husband? She now has to take care of their son alone with no support.

Maribel is the widow of Alberto, who died earlier this year, leaving his wife and three very young children. While a SAWP worker in Ontario, Alberto was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, and although he received a lot of community support, he and his family are not receiving the governmental support they deserve. I remember talking to Alberto's brothers, many of whom have also come to Canada through the program, about how, in fact, this could happen to them. It was certainly not very heartening to tell that to the family who recently lost one of their members when they are participating in the same program. And there are many cases like this.

Finally, I would like to end by emphasizing again the importance of this standing committee's taking up the issue of permanent resident status for migrant workers, rather than the temporary status they currently have. Do we really want to be a country that, by having these temporary programs that bring in workers for decades without ever allowing them to become residents, contributes to family disintegration and intense marital, family, and community problems as a result? Imagine being away from your family and your community for eight months every year for 15 to 20 years. This is the life of a migrant farm worker in the SAWP.

We recommend that Canada finally sign on to and ratify the UN convention on migrant workers, and we recommend that you take many of the recommendations in the Arthurs report on federal labour standards as a starting point for some changes to improve the conditions and lives of migrant workers. The Arthurs report identifies farm and domestic workers as among the most vulnerable, and being foreign workers only increases their vulnerability. We agree with the Arthurs report that we must consider how to ensure that all workers can live in conditions we consider decent, and that is the question central to all public policy debates. What we advocate for is just that: decency, justice, dignity, and families and communities having access to their full rights, which in the case of foreign workers here in Canada includes having access to permanent residency, and ultimately citizenship, if they so choose.

I do not want to see more Javiers, Albertos, Alicias, Maribels, and children without fathers, but if the government does not change the underlying foundation that leaves these workers vulnerable to exploitation, that is exactly what it is supporting.

Thank you.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Thank you, Erika. Thank you very much. You can say an awful lot in seven minutes. Good job, and I'm sorry I have to cut you off like that, but as I say, there are only 35 minutes for all your presentations and then our committee members.

Mr. Chan.

March 31st, 2008 / 4:05 p.m.

Tung Chan Chief Executive Officer, S.U.C.C.E.S.S.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Bonjour, mesdames et messieurs. My French is only about that much. That's all my French.

I want to thank you for allowing me to come before you to speak, and I'll try to stay within the seven minutes. In fact I think I might finish before the seven minutes.

I just want to say a few words about S.U.C.C.E.S.S. We have been around for 35 years. We currently have 390 employees, and we serve in 18 locations in the lower mainland. We provide settlement, employment, language training, and health care services to youth, adults, families, and seniors.

About undocumented workers and foreign temporary workers, the one thing I want to say is that we don't see too many of them. In fact, in the three months ending in December 2007,—October, November, December—we came into contact with a total of 20,633 individuals, but we would classify less than four per cent of those as “others”, and out of those others a very small minority were undocumented or foreign temporary workers. So we believe that from our perspective—because we actually provide services in so many different languages: Korean, Punjabi, Farsi, Filipino, Tagalog, and so on—our services have not been able to reach them or they have not been coming to our offices to ask for service.

The B.C. government recently introduced the settlement worker in the schools. So to the extent that those undocumented workers and temporary foreign workers have children in school, they might be accessing those services through the school workers. That cannot be assured.

As you have already heard today, many of them do not speak English as their first language. So our recommendation is that perhaps funding should be made available to organizations such as the ones sitting to my right, to allow them to more effectively provide outreach programs for those immigrants. As well, it would be useful if we could make funding accessible for foreign temporary workers as well as the undocumented workers, if we can find a way to do it, to improve their language skills and to provide any funding assistance to them.

You've heard the story about the government not providing medical services and providing limited access to legal assistance. Those are the areas we think are important and we should be providing assistance with. We recommend that we provide integrated services for the existing services that we provide to landed immigrants as well as to the foreign service workers.

The funding requirement, the funding we get now from our provincial government, is basically to allow us to provide services mainly to landed immigrants. There is really no incentive for organizations such as ours to extend our services, even though we would like to, to the temporary foreign workers. It's important now as we are looking at introducing the Canadian experience class, and those people who have been working here as temporary foreign workers...we are encouraging them to apply. We are encouraging them because they do not have to go back to their home residence to apply.

It's critical that during those times they are working here as temporary foreign workers that their experience is good and that they do not encounter situations as described earlier.

It is a good initiative, from our perspective, to create this Canadian experience class. However, it is not sufficient simply to create a class, but during the time they are here as temporary foreign workers we do not accord them the same kinds of services.

Ladies and gentlemen, that's it for me.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Thank you, Mr. Chan.

Ms. Valdecantos.

4:05 p.m.

Denise Valdecantos Board Member, Philippine Women Centre of BC

Thank you for this opportunity. My name is Denise Valdecantos. I'm a board member at the Philippine Women Centre of B.C.

Since 1989, the Philippine Women Centre of B.C. has educated, organized, and advocated for migrant and immigrant women of Philippine origin and their families. Our long-standing advocacy campaigns have critiqued and called for the scrapping of the live-in caregiver program.

As you know, Citizenship and Immigration statistics show that the overwhelming majority of women coming in under the LCP are from the Philippines. Our research studies and organizing work in the community, along with numerous academic studies, have documented the negative physical, social, economic, and political impacts of the LCP on the Filipino community in Canada at individual and community levels.

Yet despite the long history of lobbying work, the LCP remains intact, particularly its four pillars, which are the mandatory live-in requirement, temporary immigration status, employer-specific permit, and the 24 months of work that needs to be completed within three years. Without the removal of these pillars, the situation of the live-in caregivers will never improve due to the systemic context of their abuse. Their vulnerability remains intact when unregulated work conditions and cases of abuse and exploitation for foreign live-in caregivers are rampant.

Another challenge faced by these women and their families is the long process involved in the sponsoring of their children and the dues and fees involved. Often the years of separation result in trauma of these Filipino youth. A recent study with UBC found that family reunification and family separation have resulted in the youth's lack of integration and isolation here in Canada.

We are deeply concerned about the expansion of Canada's temporary workers program without the full and critical examination of the negative impacts of existing temporary workers programs like the LCP. We are further concerned about the potential short-term and long-term negative impacts on the Filipino community.

The Philippines is a top-source country for temporary foreign workers in Canada, yet there are not sufficient safeguards to protect the rights and welfare of these migrant workers and their families. Many of the women are trained as Filipino nurses, and they are often tasked to perform nursing care duties for the elderly and disabled. With the current nursing shortage in Canada, we call for the full accreditation for these nursing professionals.

We stand firm in our position that permanent residence should be given to these workers coming from the Philippines to Canada, and they should be allowed to bring their families with them. We also support the call of SIKLAB, which is the Filipino migrant workers' organization, that Canada should ratify the UN convention on protection of migrant workers and their families.

Thank you.

4:10 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Thank you, Ms. Valdecantos.

Ms. German.

4:10 p.m.

Mildred German Member, Filipino-Canadian Youth Alliance - National, Philippine Women Centre of BC

My name is Mildred German, and I'm with the Ugnayan ng Kabataang Pilipino sa Canada, the Filipino-Canadian Youth Alliance, which is a group of youth and students who address the issues affecting youth in the Filipino community in Canada. We are formed through the Philippine Women Centre.

Thank you for this opportunity to speak about the situation of Filipino youth. The Filipino community is the third largest immigrant group in Canada. Current estimates show that there are nearly half a million Filipino immigrants and migrant workers living in Canada. A good portion of the Filipino community is made up of youth and students, and this is one of the reasons we would like to speak here today.

I'd like to speak about the impact of Citizenship and Immigration Canada's live-in caregiver program on Filipino youth. Since the early 1980s, nearly 100,000 Filipino women have been forced to migrate to Canada as live-in caregivers; 95% of workers under the LCP are Filipino women who cannot bring their families when they enter Canada to work.

Filipino youth are the most affected, as they are the ones left behind while their parents are working abroad. When youth are finally able to be reunited with their parents, they are reunited as strangers--the result of many years of separation. At the same time, Filipino youth who immigrate to Canada usually find themselves in an unknown environment, isolated and segregated as they adjust to their new life here.

Most newly arrived Filipino youth are also faced with the trauma of immigration, family separation, and reunification. A recent study at the University of British Columbia found that Filipino youth experienced an average of five years of separation from their parents, who come to Canada under the CIC's live-in caregiver program, and in many cases the separation is longer.

Adding to the trauma of immigration, family separation, and reunification is the lack of genuine support and services culturally appropriate to Filipino youth and the Filipino community. It is therefore not surprising that the study at UBC also found that Filipino youth have the second-highest high school dropout rate from Vancouver schools. Studies have linked this issue to the economic marginalization of the Filipino community. In fact, youth often have to work and contribute to the household income to help sustain their family's needs. The majority of Filipinos in Canada are working class, marginalized in the labour sector, and are the new generation of cheap labour here in Canada.

We Filipinos have noticed how underrepresented our community is when it comes to the issues affecting us. The ongoing underrepresentation of the Filipino community is a reflection of the systemic barriers affecting the Filipino community. When certain community groups question and criticize the Canadian government on policies such as immigration, the community is usually disappointed with the answers they are given--such as what happened on January 21, 2008, when the Filipino-Canadian Youth Alliance, alongside other immigrant organizations and community groups, questioned the CIC on the social impact of their policies, particularly with the temporary workers program, the Canadian experience class, and the live-in caregiver program. The CIC deputy director of the permanent resident policy and programs development division, Katherine Pestieau, admitted there is no money for the integration and settlement of our immigrant communities here in Canada. This disappointing response could only further impact the racist policies implemented on our community and other immigrant communities.

As mentioned, the Filipino communities' experience with the LCP...the impacts are tremendous: the trauma of immigration, family separation, and reunification. This is why it is urgent to look into the social impact of Canada's immigration policies: the temporary workers program, the live-in caregiver program, and the Canadian experience class.

We demand the scrapping of the live-in caregiver program. Allow Filipino migrant workers to come as permanent residents and allow families to come together as their choice to avoid the long years of family separation. We also demand more resources for the integration and settlement of our immigrant communities here in Canada.

4:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

Thank you, Ms. German.

We have approximately 30 minutes for questions, and now we will go to Ms. Beaumier.

4:15 p.m.

Liberal

Colleen Beaumier Liberal Brampton West, ON

Thank you. I'm going to share my time with my other colleagues here.

Erika, I listened to you, and all of you, in your passion. All of you are doing God's work, or if you don't believe in God, then maybe you're Santa's elves, because we know there's not big money in what you're doing. But boy oh boy, there's a lot of passion in your vocation. I know that.

I agree with you, and this is why I'm not going to do a lot of questioning. If we have to have workers come back again and again because we're short of workers, then perhaps after a certain period of time they should be allowed to apply to stay in Canada.

When we're talking about older workers...and for every case you see of abuse and racism and exploitation, I guarantee there are five or six others out there. I want to know how you contact people about changes and how you're able to assist them. Would giving a senior's pension to landed immigrants after two to three years in Canada alleviate some of the employment and financial situations where older workers are exploited?

We know the point system doesn't work all that well. We have cabbies and sweepers with Ph.Ds, with doctor's degrees and dentist's degrees, working and being way underemployed. With the point system being what it is, would it be beneficial if we either eliminated the point system and based it on what our needs are--and certainly unskilled labour is still a need within Canada and probably always will be--or do we add another classification to the point system in order to accommodate people to be landed as permanent residents?

I'd like the first two women to answer that, please.

4:20 p.m.

Organizer, Justicia for Migrant Workers--British Columbia

Erika Del Carmen Fuchs

I can't speak to the exploitation of the older workers. The older ones are about 50 to 60, and they're not requested back after a certain age.

On the Indo-Canadian population, I couldn't speak to you as much. We work primarily with the migrant workers, and I don't feel I'm the best person to answer the question.

We definitely think the point system is not working, because these workers should be allowed to apply for permanent resident status for themselves and for their families. They wouldn't make it under the point system.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Colleen Beaumier Liberal Brampton West, ON

The other question I have for you is this. If a migrant caregiver comes to you and expresses that there has been sexual, emotional, or physical abuse, what avenue do you have to address this without fear of their being deported? I have a lot of women come to me. Their big fear is, don't tell anyone. I can't help them if I don't tell someone. I've never had anyone deported yet. What do you do in situations like that?

4:20 p.m.

Grassroots Women

Lualhati Alcuitas

We do share the experiences. I also work with the Philippine Women Centre and SIKLAB. As I mentioned before, the women who come under the LCP are covered by employment standards, which is a right that the caregivers themselves advocated for. Often they do not complain; they do not come forward.

Recently in B.C. there were also changes to the Employment Standards Act. They implemented a self-help kit, which basically indicates that the employees themselves, the women themselves, have to first go to their employers and discuss their complaints. We see this as a very negative change to the Employment Standards Act.

We advocate for the women to go directly to the employment standards branch to launch a complaint. We've had successful cases of the women being able to garner back wages they haven't been paid, etc.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Colleen Beaumier Liberal Brampton West, ON

If the employment falls through, are they then deported?

4:20 p.m.

Grassroots Women

Lualhati Alcuitas

It depends because of the strict requirements of their employment. Again, that is a big factor in the reason a lot of women do not complain. They know that once they change or leave their employers, they have to find another employer and process their work permit, which could take up to three months, which could jeopardize their finishing the program.

4:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle

You have two minutes left here.

Mr. Chan wanted to have a comment.

4:20 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, S.U.C.C.E.S.S.

Tung Chan

Perhaps I may respond to the second part of your question in terms of allowing people to apply here when they are here.

I would suggest that if we are in need of immigrants--and all the studies that I've seen have shown that as a country, as a province, we'll need new Canadians to look after our labour requirements--then it would be really to our advantage to allow people who have come here, who have worked here, who have proven that they are law-abiding citizens, the chance to become a Canadian.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Mr. Chair, on that same question, we do have--it depends which figures you listen to--undocumented workers, people who work in the trades, people who work in different areas, who are undocumented. They're underground. They're working. They're being exploited. These are the people, I think, whom the study of undocumented workers pretty well wants to focus on.

Are you suggesting, Mr. Chan, that these people should be allowed, through a mechanism, to apply within Canada as well as to make sure their families are united with them? Should Immigration move in the direction of allowing these people to become regularized and to apply to stay in Canada?

4:20 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, S.U.C.C.E.S.S.

Tung Chan

The answer to that is affirmative. I would support that for people who have worked here, who have been law-abiding citizens, and who have a skill to contribute to this country. We should allow them to apply here. They should be able to apply in situ, within Canada, without leaving.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

If they're here alone, if the father is here working alone and his wife and his kids are back home, should we also expedite the process to join them as a family and bring their family over to Canada?

4:25 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, S.U.C.C.E.S.S.

Tung Chan

Let's look back at the essence of this country. We founded this country on the grounds of being compassionate, being equal, and if we do that, then on that principled approach to the issue, there isn't a whole lot of question or debate. If we are really the country that we hold ourselves out to be, that we are a compassionate country when it comes to human rights, then we should; there's no question here.

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

My time is up. Are you suggesting yes or no?