Evidence of meeting #37 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 39th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was consultants.
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NDP
Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON
There are suggestions that it be as soon as possible, and that could be totally doable.
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Liberal
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Liberal
Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON
I'd like to make an amendment in the second paragraph, where it says “meeting immediately following the adoption of this motion”. Schedule it somewhere in there that we find “these joint proceedings on hearing witnesses across Canada, commencing at the most opportune time after we write the preliminary report”.
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Conservative
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Conservative
Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK
The finance committee was seized with Bill C-50 and this provision. They gave it to this committee conditionally to study it and report back on May 9. The only way it came here was in that fashion. This committee can do what this committee wants to do, but we can't amend what finance wants to do.
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Conservative
Ed Komarnicki Conservative Souris—Moose Mountain, SK
Yes, and you can't do that. It came here on that basis.
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Liberal
Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON
Mr. Chair, you already have instructions from this committee on a vote as to what to answer the finance committee. I think any discussion, since we voted, is redundant right now.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle
We have a motion on the floor by Ms. Chow. I think we're all aware of what the motion is.
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The Clerk
It's a motion to amend the motion of Mr. Khan, as already amended, by adding the following: “and that the Committee meet jointly at its first opportunity with the Standing Committee on Finance...and hear witnesses across Canada, commencing at the scheduled meeting immediately following the adoption of this motion; that the Committee table a copy of the evidence; that pursuant to Standing Order 109, the Committee request that the government table a comprehensive response to the report; and that the meetings be televised.”
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle
What you're doing here is literally a nightmare. I can't see how we can deal with this in this fashion. I don't intend to, because this is just too confusing for me. I don't intend to deal with this in this way.
We had our meetings out in Vancouver, and everyone wanted to study Bill C-50 instead of the three items we had on the agenda. We agreed that when we got back here we would study Bill C-50. It seemed like a fairly simple thing to do. We've been given the authority, if you will. Finance doesn't want to do it. They're putting it off on us to study Bill C-50.
Procedurally, this is a nightmare. The clerk can't keep track of it. I can't keep track of it myself. What's going on here is just terrible. It would have been so much simpler to deal with one motion--Mr. Khan's motion, for instance, mirrored just totally and completely, and we could get on with it. This is something you just have to shake your head at. I can't deal with it.
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Liberal
Andrew Telegdi Liberal Kitchener—Waterloo, ON
Mr. Chair, I think you can run this amendment by, and it will be defeated, because I don't see us travelling with the finance committee. That's how you deal with it.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle
Let's do that, and let's just hang up on the amendments here. Let's deal with Ms. Chow's motion. Her motion is clear. We know what her motion is.
All in favour of that motion?
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle
Yes.
(Amendment negatived: nays 10; yeas 1 [See Minutes of Proceedings])
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The Clerk
Mr. Khan's motion stands amended by Mr. Siksay's motion. The next question would be on the motion as amended.
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Liberal
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative Norman Doyle
That is the main motion. We're putting before the committee the motion as amended, which is Mr. Khan's motion.
