Evidence of meeting #13 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was board.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Brian Goodman  Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada
Julie Taub  Immigration and Refugee Lawyer, Former Member, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, As an Individual
Martin Collacott  Former Canadian Ambassador in Asia and the Middle East, As an Individual

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

I mean from 2006 to 2008.

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Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Brian Goodman

It was less than that, I believe.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

You were staffed at less than 60%?

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Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Brian Goodman

No. I thought you said 70%.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Yes, it was 70%.

May 6th, 2010 / 3:45 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

You can't change your numbers, Jim, when you're asking a question.

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Voices

Oh, oh!

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Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Brian Goodman

Can you give me one moment, sir?

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Sure.

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Conservative

Alice Wong Conservative Richmond, BC

Can I have a point of order, sir?

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Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Brian Goodman

The average—

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

While we're waiting, Mr. Goodman's correct; you are in order with your questioning, but I thought we were here to talk about the bill.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

We were discussing the bill, Chair.

Do you want to stop the clock? If you want to take a point of order, stop the clock, please.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Okay. Go ahead. We have a point of order over here.

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Conservative

Alice Wong Conservative Richmond, BC

Yes, because if Mr. Goodman is to provide any figures after today, they should be provided to the clerk so that all of us will have access to them.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Oh, of course. I think Mr. Goodman understands that.

Thank you, Mr. Karygiannis. You have the floor again.

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Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Brian Goodman

Do you want an answer to your question, sir?

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Yes, please, sir.

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Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Brian Goodman

The figures that I have now in front of me suggest that the actual complement in 2006-07 was 123. This is for both the RPD and the IAD together, because we had backlogs in both. It's important to understand that. The numbers were 169.5; well, to have 0.5 of a member, but....

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Voices

Oh, oh!

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Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Brian Goodman

Anyway, in 2005-06 it went down to 123, and to 101 in 2007-08, and it was down to 62.4% in 2007-08 from 80.3% in 2006-07.

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

So if you were at 80% staffing, sir, then the 87,000 people who have applied between 2006 and 2008, you would have been able to deal with.

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Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

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Liberal

Jim Karygiannis Liberal Scarborough—Agincourt, ON

Did you want more members?

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Chairperson, Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada

Brian Goodman

Of course, because we're funded for 25,000 claims a year. We were getting many, many more than that.