Evidence of meeting #17 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was claimants.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Stephan Reichhold  Director, Table de concertation des organismes au service des personnes réfugiées et immigrantes
Richard Goldman  Committee Coordinator to Aid Refugees, Table de concertation des organismes au service des personnes réfugiées et immigrantes
Glynis Williams  Director, Action Réfugiés Montréal
Maude Côté  Program Coordinator, Action Réfugiés Montréal
Julia Porter  Settlement Social Worker, Association for New Canadians
John Norquay  Staff Immigration Lawyer, HIV and AIDS Legal Clinic (Ontario)
David Matas  Lawyer, As an Individual
Ezat Mossallanejad  Policy Analyst and Researcher, Canadian Centre for Victims of Torture
William Bauer  Former Canadian Ambassador, Member of the Immigration and Refugee Board of Canada, As an Individual

5:25 p.m.

A witness

Thank you for inviting us.

5:25 p.m.

A witness

Thank you.

5:25 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

We have two more things to do, committee members, before we adjourn. I'll keep talking in public until someone tells me to go in camera, because I don't think it will take long.

You have before you two budgets. The larger amount is the expenses for the video conferencing for Bill C-11, and that's estimated to the end. The smaller amount is the expenses with respect to the Haiti issue.

Everybody's looking at me as though you don't know what I'm talking about. Do you understand?

I'd like a motion to approve these budgets and authorize that the amounts be paid. Ms. Chow and Mr. Karygiannis.

(Motion agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])

5:25 p.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

Mr. Chair, on a point of order, just to be clear, the hearing on June 1 would be from 3:30 to 5:30—

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Yes.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

And then June 3 would be 3:30 p.m. till 11:59.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Forever. I shouldn't say that. Until possibly 11:59, yes.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

At the latest. That would be the time when we do clause-by-clause consideration of Bill C-11.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Those two dates would be clause-by-clause. Yes.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

I just want to be very clear about that.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

It's a good question.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

So yes, that is what--

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

That is what is being planned.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

So may I dare to ask, if we can't get it done in those two days, what do we do?

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

The chair's interpretation of the motion that was made by Mr. Bevilacqua, I believe, is that if we haven't finished by 11:59 on the third, there will be no more amendments. So you'll have to get all your amendments in. Someone can challenge me, but that's my interpretation of what was said.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

So we have the amendments, but we will need to have a vote to make sure it's done, right?

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

My problem is that I interpret it as--and if someone wants to correct me, do--

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

You're asking now, but later...

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

That's the chair's ruling. If someone wants to overrule me, they will have to challenge me.

Yes, Monsieur St-Cyr.

5:30 p.m.

Bloc

Thierry St-Cyr Bloc Jeanne-Le Ber, QC

I would simply like to add that I suggested we extend our hearing until we have completed our work, to avoid this situation. The committee has to study each amendment, period. We can move quickly on to the discussion. I have the impression that we will finish early.

However, if the chair decides to stop proceedings before the indicated time, which means that all amendments will fall by the wayside, then we will have to come back on what we had agreed to with the government, that is, that we will complete our study by the agreed upon date. We would then have to schedule additional meetings to complete our work. I cannot believe that we will get into a situation where one party would engage in a filibuster until 11:59 p.m. to prevent the bill from being amended. That doesn't make sense. Everyone was acting in good faith. If we sit until 1:00 a.m., it will not be the end of the world. But I don't know if it will get to that.

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

So we can do it in one day.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Can you show me where Mr. Bevilacqua's motion is?

5:30 p.m.

NDP

Olivia Chow NDP Trinity—Spadina, ON

Mr. Chair, just a point of order. It's 5:30. Do you want to figure that out and tell us later on?

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

My ruling stands, unless someone can show me that the motion says something different.

5:30 p.m.

Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

I can certainly explain.