Evidence of meeting #84 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was chair.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
(Ruling of the chair overturned)
The ruling of the chair is overturned. We will call the question.
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NDP
Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC
First of all, on Standing Order 67(1), I want to say that the question that has just been raised here is debatable and I want to—
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Conservative
Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON
It has already been voted on, Chair. It's not a point of order.
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NDP
Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC
No, what has been voted on has been the sustaining of the chair.
The chair was not sustained, so if the government now wants to bring forward a motion, which would be contrary, because it says the number of times a member may speak in committee and the length of speeches is not subject to any limit in committee. The Chair had ruled on that following our procedures, so if the government now wants to overrule our procedures, then that motion is debatable, I believe.
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Conservative
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
We're back.
Do you have additional comments to make on your point of order, Ms. Sims?
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NDP
Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC
Yes. What is debatable right now, according to page 40 of the Standing Orders of the House of Commons, is the previous question. That's what—
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
Don't quit while you're ahead, Ms. Sims. I'm about to rule in favour of your point of order.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
I've conferred with the clerks and they have advised me that the issue of the question has been put, which I ruled out of order. I was challenged and that ruling has been overturned.
Ms. Sims has pointed to the fact that there is a debate on the question being put because there has to be a motion. There is a motion. Mr. Dykstra has made the motion that the question be put. She is correct.
I will say, though, that in doing that, this will be it for amendments. Because of what Mr. Dykstra has just done after the question has been put we would vote on the amendment. There would be no further amendments allowed. We would then proceed to the main motion.
Ms. Sims, I'm agreeing with you. Do you want to challenge me?
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NDP
Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC
I don't want to challenge you, but I do want some clarification. I'll wait until you are finished.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
So I am going to rule that Ms. Sims is correct based on Standing Order 67(1) that she referred to. I am also ruling that debate is allowed on the issue of the question being put.
Mr. Lamoureux, I see your hand, but you will have to wait. I just want to make sure everyone is clear on what I am saying.
After that debate takes place we would vote on the amendment. There would be no further amendments allowed to the main motion. We would then proceed to debate on the main motion.
Mr. Lamoureux, and then Ms. Sims.
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Liberal
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
Sorry, if I could just clarify, there would also be no debate on the main motion.
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Conservative
The Chair Conservative David Tilson
On the main motion.
So what Mr. Dykstra has done means that there is debate and this is it. It is showtime. We're going to have a debate on whether the question is going to be put. Then we're going to vote on the amendment. Then we're going to vote on the main motion. There will be no debate on the main motion because of what has just happened.
Mr. Lamoureux, you had the floor.
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Conservative
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Liberal
Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB
No, I was wanting to be on the speakers list. If it could be noted, Mr. Chair, that I have been put on the speakers list.
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Conservative