Evidence of meeting #84 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was chair.

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11:40 p.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

We all understand—and we should all understand—that the chairs we are sitting in are lent to us by the people who elected us to be here to represent them. They don't belong to us; they belong to them.

Madam Chair, with that, I am in support of extending the period of time in order to be able to properly review, discuss, and enact improvements to this legislation, so that we can move forward in the spirit of Mr. Shory, whom I thank profusely for bringing this legislation forward. We can help him realize his private member's bill with royal assent.

At this time, I would like to move a subamendment to the amendment, which is that—

11:40 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims

Please say it slowly enough so that we can write it down. We're not all used to writing any more, or to using pen and paper, so it takes us a little bit longer than it used to, I think.

11:45 p.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

I will be happy to do that.

11:45 p.m.

NDP

11:45 p.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

I am moving that the amendment be amended by leaving out the words “take place in the House on”, and substituting the words “be tabled in the House not earlier than”, so that it will read as follows: “and that this request is to be tabled in the House not earlier than June 21, 2013”. Of course, it follows exactly in the same spot where the amendment follows, but I am moving that we replace the amendment with the subamendment I just read.

Thank you, Madam Chair.

11:45 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims

I'm just going to go through the wording again so we have it right.

11:45 p.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

Sure. Please.

11:45 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims

I really appreciate the fact that a printed copy was given to me, so while the rest of you were scribbling, I wasn't. Thank you.

It is that the amendment be amended by leaving out the words “take place in the House on” and substituting the following words: “be tabled in the House not earlier than”.

11:45 p.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

That's right. Should I repeat how it will then read?

11:45 p.m.

NDP

11:45 p.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

It will read: “and that this request is to be tabled in the House not earlier than June 21, 2013”.

11:45 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims

Thank you very much.

11:45 p.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

11:45 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims

Thank you very much.

A number of hands went up and I've been writing down names. You've moved an amendment to the amendment, Mr. Menegakis, so you have the right to motivate right now.

But I am going to say that I have the following names written down to speak on the subamendment: Rathika; myself, and I will step out of the chair when I do that; Phil Toone; and Rick Dykstra. That's the speakers list I have on the subamendment.

Just to review the process with everybody, we're going to be dealing with a subamendment now, so I have a new speakers list. When I've finished dealing with this, we will go back to the amendment list. After we've dealt with this amendment, if it fails, it goes back to Mr. Menegakis and if it passes, then of course it moves on to the next speaker, who is me. Then we have a series of speakers.

On the main motion after we've finished dealing with the amendment, we have Rathika, because her amendment is still on the floor. If the amendment carries as amended, then she gives up her speaking spot and it goes on to the next person.

However, if the amendment fails as amended, then we go back to Ms. Sitsabaiesan and we carry on down our list, which then has Rick as the next person after Rathika, and then it's Mylène, and then we go down the list that I read out earlier.

With that in mind, I'd like to suspend the meeting to 10 a.m. tomorrow in this room.

11:45 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims

I'd like to call the meeting back to order.

I have two, four, five, six members. Mr. Dykstra was here a minute ago. I need a quorum to call the meeting to order, and the critter at the table doesn't count.

Sorry. My apologies.

11:45 p.m.

Conservative

Ted Opitz Conservative Etobicoke Centre, ON

I thought you said 10:20.

11:45 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims

No. The chair had suspended the meeting and called the meeting for 10. I said that I would have to sit in the chair, convene the meeting, and then make a decision and say that the meeting was suspended. That's just the procedure; I'm not trying to be awkward here.

We need one more person in the room, folks.

Thank you very much.

I'm suspending the meeting until 10:20 or close thereto.

I would like people to stick around and not go too far, because as soon as Mr. Dykstra and I come back together....

Thank you.

10 a.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair (Ms. Jinny Jogindera Sims) NDP Jinny Sims

I would like to call the meeting to order.

We have agreement to suspend until 9:45 Monday morning.

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Good morning, everyone. This is the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration. We are reviewing Mr. Shory's Bill C-425. This is the continuation of meeting number 84.

First of all, I want to thank Ms. Sims for filling in as chair.

10:25 a.m.

NDP

Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC

It was a pleasure.

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

I'm sure it was. I hope you enjoyed yourself.

So we're continuing on, and I gather we're in debate. I'll need some assistance from all of you as to where you've been, but I gather we are now continuing on debate on the subamendment of Mr. Menegakis.

Mr. Menegakis, you have the floor, sir.

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, and welcome back.

We've certainly had a lot of discussion on this issue on this bill over the past week, and I'm delighted today to have an opportunity to speak to the subamendment. I think we all have the subamendment before us, and it reads as follows, just to make sure that we're on the right one:

Pursuant to Standing Order 97.1(1), your Committee is requesting an extension of thirty sitting days to consider Bill C-425, An Act to amend the Citizenship Act (honouring the Canadian Armed Forces), referred to the Committee on Wednesday, February 27, 2013. On Tuesday, April 23, 2013, the Committee recommended to the House that it be granted the power during its consideration of Bill C-425 to expand the scope of the Bill. The Committee is awaiting for a decision of the House before further considering the Bill. Therefore, your Committee requests an extension of thirty sitting days and that this request is to be tabled in the House not earlier than June 21, 2013.

I'm going to speak in favour of the subamendment for a number of reasons, Mr. Chair. First of all, it is my belief that legislation should not die on the table simply because of some kind of procedural tactic, if you will. I think it is important that we have an opportunity to review it, to debate it. Asking for an extension to be able to do so only affords parliamentarians the opportunity to weigh in on the subject and exercise the ultimate right that has been given to them and to all of us by the good citizens of the constituencies that we all have the honour and privilege of representing.

We heard a lot of testimony last week, extensive speeches from members of the opposition, speaking about a number of things. I have to refer to some of that so that I can support my argument for the passing of this very important subamendment.

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Just as long, Mr. Menegakis, as you remember what the debate is before the committee, and that is your subamendment. I don't want you getting into repeating long discussions that took place last week. You can refer to them as long as they specifically refer to this subamendment.

June 14th, 2013 / 10:25 a.m.

Conservative

Costas Menegakis Conservative Richmond Hill, ON

It's virtually impossible, Mr. Chair, to speak to all that we heard last week. Basically, it was just material that was being read over and over again, so as much as I'd like to think that I have such a tremendous memory that I would be able to refer back to everything I heard here, certainly that would not be possible given the amount of information that was read out here last week in an attempt to filibuster the process. But there are a number of things I have to speak about, because it is incumbent upon me to try to convince my colleagues around the table of the importance of allowing an extension so that we can properly review the amendments and allow Bill C-425 to move forward.

One of the arguments we heard repeatedly last week was that this was a PMB versus a government bill, and that somehow the PMB was being hijacked by the government. I believe that was the word that was being used by the opposition.

I want to remind all members around the table of the words spoken by the sponsor and the actions of the sponsor of the bill, who would very much like to see the subamendments go through. Mr. Shory, from the inception of the bill, from the presentation of this bill in the House, made it very clear that he was open to amendments. He was open to suggestions from all sides, including the government and the opposition, that would make this bill better.

He has repeatedly said and shown by his actions that any suggestion that would make the bill better would certainly be acceptable to him. In fact, Mr. Chair, you might recall that Mr. Shory, even when he was not being subbed in as a member of this committee, attended all committee meetings to listen very carefully, not only to what members of Parliament had to say but also to what witnesses had to say.

This is a member of Parliament who understands the process and who welcomed input from absolutely everybody. He is very amenable and accepting of the recommendations and the four amendments that have been put forward. He has been a critical player from the outset and has been more than forthright in his acceptance of any suggestion that would make his bill better moving forward.

The suggestion or the inference that the government is somehow hijacking certainly has no merit whatsoever. The importance of private members' legislation, moving forward, is something that can be debated for days and days. But in keeping with your intervention to me, Mr. Chair, I won't go into all of the details of the differences between a private member's bill and government legislation, other than to just conclude that segment of what I wanted to say by saying that any suggestion that the government can have no input whatsoever on any private member's legislation by speaking with the sponsor and making suggestions of their own is questionable at best. Certainly every elected member has an opportunity to weigh in on legislation before us, and that is exactly what everyone has done.

To Mr. Shory's credit, he has been accepting of all of the suggestions, and I might add, he has given his input on some of them, if not all of them, as well.

Mr. Chair, the subamendment asks for a period of time to be able to further evaluate the importance and the significance of these amendments to a piece of legislation that we know is something that Canadians would very much like to see. It speaks to a recognition of the tremendous sacrifice that the brave men and women of the Canadian Armed Forces make on a daily basis. It speaks to the fact that anyone who would want to—

10:25 a.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Mr. Menegakis, the amendment says that the request to the House to extend 30 days is to take place in the House on June 21, 2013. Your subamendment says that this request is to be tabled in the House not earlier than June 21. I believe you're going beyond. You're getting into items that have nothing to do with this subamendment.

I am going to have to insist that you stick to the subamendment, dealing with support or non-support, whoever's going to be debating this, as to why this request is to be tabled in the House not earlier than June 21, 2013.

I don't think we need to hear all that other business. That has nothing to do with the subamendment.