Citizenship and Immigration Committee on June 13th, 2013

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

Yes, I did that. I have allowed what we're doing now out of courtesy to Madame Groguhé.

[Rathika Sitsabaiesan, NDP, Scarborough—Rouge River, ON]

Yes, that's the ruling you made a while back—

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

That's right.

[Rathika Sitsabaiesan, NDP, Scarborough—Rouge River, ON]

—and right now, when this came up again, I introduced new evidence, which makes the point that I am making not the same point, because there's new evidence.

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

Quite the contrary. I've dealt with the new evidence that you've put forward and have said that those aren't amendments. Those are references to proposed amendments by unknown witnesses.

[Rathika Sitsabaiesan, NDP, Scarborough—Rouge River, ON]

Right, but Mr. Chair, your practice was to allow for the discussion to take place in this very committee on those proposed amendments—

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

That was.... All right.

[Rathika Sitsabaiesan, NDP, Scarborough—Rouge River, ON]

—so I'm asking that you be consistent with your practice.

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

This is the end. We're moving on.

Ms. Freeman has a new point of order.

[Mylène Freeman, NDP, Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC]

Thank you.

I would like to argue that the amendments were part of the way this committee studied this particular bill and that as a result we are allowed to consider them, even though they were not formally moved.

This is a separate point. I would like to read into the record, from the same day, March 21, from our Minister of Immigration Jason Kenny—

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

I've already ruled on that.

[Mylène Freeman, NDP, Argenteuil—Papineau—Mirabel, QC]

This is a second point of order.

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

I've already ruled, and we're going to proceed to the next speaker.

Actually, the next speaker—we interrupted her—is Madame Groguhé.

You may continue with your debate on the main motion, Madame Groguhé.

[Sadia Groguhé, NDP, Saint-Lambert, QC]

Mr. Chair, before I go on, I wanted to say something about the 30-day extension. It should be noted that the proposed motion could be split in two. There is indeed a cause and effect relationship between the 30-day extension and the possibility of expanding the scope of the said bill.

We can therefore consider the motion in its entirety because it does not in any way challenge your ruling as regards the discussion of the 30-day extension. That extension is being sought to allow for the possible expansion of the bill's scope. If those 30 days were not proposed or granted, it would clearly be impossible to expand the scope of Bill C-425.

Mr. Chair, aside from the fact that we are against the—

[Rathika Sitsabaiesan, NDP, Scarborough—Rouge River, ON]

A point of order, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

Madame Groguhé, before we get into that, I have been very nice to you. I have ruled on this several times. I allowed it to come again. If you're substituting in or out—and I address this to all members of the committee—you need to be briefed as to rulings I have already made. If you come in and start talking on something I have already ruled on, I'm going to cut you off.

Madame Groguhé, you are now getting—in fact, you are disregarding what I just said. We are not going to talk about amendments or about the scope of the bill. We're going to talk about whether this committee will have an extension of 30 sitting days.

[Sadia Groguhé, NDP, Saint-Lambert, QC]

Mr. Chair, I am not—

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

Ms. Sitsabaiesan, a point of order.

[Rathika Sitsabaiesan, NDP, Scarborough—Rouge River, ON]

Did you forget me and my point of order again?

Mr. Chair, I was going to raise that it's getting really loud in here. I couldn't hear the translation of what my colleague was saying. Could you get some order in this room when we continue so that I can actually hear the translation?

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

All right. We're looking for some order.

Madame Groguhé, go ahead.

[Sadia Groguhé, NDP, Saint-Lambert, QC]

Mr. Chair—

[Jinny Sims, NDP, Newton—North Delta, BC]

A point of order, Mr. Chair.

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

A point of order.

[Jinny Sims, NDP, Newton—North Delta, BC]

I know there's a lot of movement, and people have the right to come and go and sit where they please, but I'm finding it difficult to know who is here on the committee and who is here observing.

[The Chair, Conservative, David Tilson]

I know and the clerk knows.

You're perfectly free to challenge if someone hasn't been properly substituted in. If you wish to do that, we will advise you, but everybody who is here is properly substituted in.

Madame Groguhé, you have the floor.