Evidence of meeting #84 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site.) The winning word was chair.

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NDP

Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC

No, I haven't finished.

Therefore, in talking about the request for an extension of 30 sitting days here.... We are not talking about 30 calendar days; we are talking about 30 sitting days. So the timeline would not be into July or August. The days would start counting and it would actually go into September, and probably right into October, because of how late we start in September.

I think in the meantime, when you look at it, we will have already heard from our witnesses and a great deal of time would have gone by. Once again, I feel we will be doing a disservice to Mr. Shory's bill because we will be leaving too huge a time between clause-by-clause, as you have aptly said. We bypass that simply because of the timelines. So just because the timelines have played out, that is no reason to try to set the clock differently. That's what I'm arguing here.

For me, it does a disservice to a private member's bill when you can have that huge a distance between different components of dealing with the bill. It also loses some of the currency during that time. I would say that depending on what happens during those 30 days, that could also fundamentally change how we are going to be proceeding with this, because there is no guarantee that within the extension of 30 days you could actually get the concurrent motion dealt with in the House. There is no guarantee, and because there is no guarantee, I feel we're going through this exercise for very little reason.

To me, that is a compelling argument when you're talking for or against an extension, because at the end of the day, the private member's business gets reported back on the 60th day—within 60 days. The 60 days will be up. This gives only an extension for 30 days. It doesn't give any other direction for the committee to deal with this any differently. All it says is 30 days so that the government can get the expansion in the scope. But if within those 30 days the government cannot get an expansion, then unfortunately we are at the bill having been reported. That's exactly where we are today.

I feel that the committee has really important work to do. I know we were in the middle of a study on temporary foreign workers. I know that we have a great deal of interest in pursuing a study on citizenship and the huge wait lists that exist. We also want to talk about PNPs and many other issues. So when I think of the time of the committee being tied up to do a private member's bill that is already running out of time...I would say that those are new arguments being put forward as to why an extension at this stage is not the right thing to do.

I know some of my colleagues are getting a little bit frustrated and are shaking their heads, but I think it is a legitimate point to be made that the committee's business is far more than this private member's bill. As a matter of fact, we were in the middle of hearing witnesses. Witnesses were waiting the day this all started—

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Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

A point of order.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Before you do that....

Ms. Sims, you've been doing very well. You've actually been raising new points, at least in my opinion.

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NDP

Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC

I plan to continue to do that, Mr. Chair.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

I'm sure you will. However, you're now starting to repeat your old points, so try to be cautious about that.

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NDP

Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC

I'll try not to.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

On a point of order, Mr. Dykstra.

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Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

You just stated my point of order.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Ms. Sims, you may proceed.

Congratulations. We finally have new points, but please try not to repeat them, because we've heard them.

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NDP

Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC

Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

I look forward to hearing your new points.

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NDP

Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC

I realize that it's been a long day, or a long week, whichever way you want to see it.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

It may be longer.

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NDP

Jinny Sims NDP Newton—North Delta, BC

It may be longer, and that's okay. We're all paid a fairly good salary to do the job of parliamentarian, and I'm certainly committed to staying here in order to carry on and do that.

As I was saying, the committee does have wide-ranging business that it could be addressing during this time, and I do not believe we can allow a private member's bill to subsume the work of the committee in totality, which is basically what this would do. Actually, we had an agreement with the government to carry on with the study on temporary resident visas, which I know I've already mentioned, but I will go on to say that was for the very reason that we as a committee were not convened for a number of meetings and there was nothing for us to do, because everybody was waiting for this concurrence motion to take place.

That's why we kept waiting, but because the concurrence motion never actually got moved in the House, we were actually able to study. If we would allow this bill to go through its natural timelines, then I think we could actually get on with some pretty serious work that lies ahead of us, and allow the private member's bill to go to the House to be debated and to be voted upon, which is what private members would want. They would want their bill to be in the House, in the limelight of the world in the House of Commons, televised—everybody gets to hear their debate from both the opposition and from the government. Then we carry on.

I believe that this particular bill has gone through the cycle with the committee and is getting very close to missing those timelines. Of course, we do sit until Friday—I believe it's Friday at the end of the day—and if we are here until then, we are certainly prepared to carry on to argue that the committee should really be able to do the work of the committee now and move on to some other issues.

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Thank you.

I have a comment to Mr. Leung and Mr. Lamoureux. There's a practice in the House of Commons: gentlemen wear their jackets. I know a lot of committees don't do that, and you can leave your jackets off, but I'm putting you on notice, both of you, that I won't recognize you unless you have your jackets on.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

I have just a quick point, then, Mr. Chairperson.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Madame Groguhé is the next speaker.

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NDP

Sadia Groguhé NDP Saint-Lambert, QC

Mr. Chair, am I next on the list?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

You have a point of order, Mr. Lamoureux.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Mr. Chairperson, you know, this evening I was actually sitting here in my place with my jacket on. I just took my jacket off because Mr. Dykstra hasn't had his jacket on, and he has been engaged on numerous occasions in the committee.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

You're right, he's—

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Conservative

Rick Dykstra Conservative St. Catharines, ON

Did you do this to your brothers when your parents were asking whose fault it was, just throw them under the bus?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Mr. Lamoureux, you're quite right, and I won't recognize Mr. Dykstra unless he has his jacket on as well.

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Liberal

Kevin Lamoureux Liberal Winnipeg North, MB

Thank you, Mr. Chairperson.

Now, go home and get your jacket, Rick.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative David Tilson

Madame Groguhé.