Evidence of meeting #20 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was residence.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Christine Hyndman  Manager, Immigration Policy, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand
Fraser Richards  Senior Solicitor, Corporate and Registries, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand
Phillipa Guthrey  Manager, Immigration International, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand
Lynda Byrne  Senior Advisor, Immigration Policy, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand
Lorne Waldman  Barrister and Solicitor, Lorne Waldman & Associates, As an Individual
Humaira Madawa  Director, Maison Afghane-Canadienne (MAFCAN)
Lorris Herenda  Executive Director, Yellow Brick House

3:55 p.m.

Senior Solicitor, Corporate and Registries, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

Fraser Richards

So although there is a bit of proof placed upon the applicant, for the spouse who has been the victim, the level is quite low. It does not require a criminal prosecution. As a basis we can go as low as statutory declarations from independent people who are qualified in the field.

4 p.m.

NDP

Jasbir Sandhu NDP Surrey North, BC

In other words, it's not a long, rigorous court procedure you have to go through.

4 p.m.

Senior Advisor, Immigration Policy, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

4 p.m.

NDP

Jasbir Sandhu NDP Surrey North, BC

Thank you.

4 p.m.

Manager, Immigration Policy, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

Christine Hyndman

No, it's quick, and the statutory declaration can be someone from a women's refuge, for example, or a doctor, nurse, counsellor, or social worker.

4 p.m.

NDP

Jasbir Sandhu NDP Surrey North, BC

What percentage of the spouses sponsored in New Zealand would you say are financially independent?

4 p.m.

Manager, Immigration Policy, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

Christine Hyndman

We don't count that. We don't have a minimum income threshold for sponsoring. We don't require the New Zealander even to assume sponsorship obligations. So it's not something that we measure at all. We could, however, in fact, look at it, because we have a research database that amalgamates text data with immigration data and some other government databases. So we could ask our researchers to see how many people paid tax within their first couple of years of being in New Zealand, and how much tax they paid. But yes, that's a very interesting question. Thank you.

4 p.m.

NDP

Jasbir Sandhu NDP Surrey North, BC

In order to sponsor a spouse from another country, does New Zealand require a language requirement or education requirement from the person who's being sponsored?

4 p.m.

Senior Advisor, Immigration Policy, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

4 p.m.

Manager, Immigration Policy, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

4 p.m.

NDP

Jasbir Sandhu NDP Surrey North, BC

Great.

What measures, if any, is your government taking to enhance economic and employment opportunities for immigrant women?

4 p.m.

Manager, Immigration Policy, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

Christine Hyndman

We have a broad settlement strategy, which is not specifically aimed at partners but which does have aspects that are aimed at women or people who are, for example, likely to be remaining at home with caring responsibilities during the first period of time in New Zealand. So there's a lot of emphasis on providing information. There's an Office of Ethnic Affairs, which has a big community-support responsibility. There is settlement information provided by Immigration New Zealand, a lot of which is aimed at helping people to help themselves find their way within the community. There is also a lot of focus on employer readiness, so community readiness, that good settlement is not just something for the migrant, it is also for the community to be prepared, be aware of potential difference, be able to build on that difference for the benefits that diversity brings. But we don't have anything that is a specific program for partners.

I think some of this is a difference of scale. We're only 4.5 million people. We have a population that is about 25% overseas-born. So we don't have very large communities of particular ethnic groups, in general. But everywhere people go, they will see other people who weren't born in New Zealand.

4 p.m.

NDP

The Vice-Chair NDP Lysane Blanchette-Lamothe

Mr. McCallum, you have the floor.

April 8th, 2014 / 4 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

Thank you.

I too would like to thank you all for being here.

We've been struggling with a problem, and I get the impression you might have come fairly close to solving it. One problem we have is that if a Canadian has his wife come to Canada, they are required to live together for two years. There's an asymmetry in the power relationship, because if there's abuse or violence, then the one who has come in from a foreign country is at risk of being deported. So that gives the husband, in this case, a lot of power over the woman because he might abuse her but she won't complain because she might otherwise be deported. If she does complain, in Canada I think the process is expensive and very time-consuming in order to be allowed to stay in this country. So for many the cost is prohibitive, so the domestic violence goes on and is unreported.

Now, in your case, if I understand it correctly, the couple has to live together in New Zealand for one year. Is that right?

4:05 p.m.

Manager, Immigration Policy, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

Christine Hyndman

Yes. They may have lived overseas for one year. It's just the relationship must involve one year.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

Because in your presentation, I thought the one year could occur before they come to New Zealand.

4:05 p.m.

Manager, Immigration Policy, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

Christine Hyndman

It can occur in New Zealand, yes.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

But it doesn't have to.

4:05 p.m.

Manager, Immigration Policy, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

Christine Hyndman

No. If we have a New Zealander who has been living overseas, for example, and was married overseas, and lived together for a year or more overseas with their partner, the partner can apply for residence before they even enter New Zealand.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

One difference is that in Canada, they have to live together in Canada for two years. In New Zealand, it's up to one year or less if they've lived together previously.

4:05 p.m.

Manager, Immigration Policy, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

The other big difference from what I understand—and I'd like to ask you this—is if there is domestic violence, assuming it's the woman who is being abused, she has a relatively quick and not terribly onerous process by which she is likely to be allowed to stay in New Zealand, because I think I heard you say, 66% of the applicants were accepted. How long would it take?

4:05 p.m.

Senior Solicitor, Corporate and Registries, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

Fraser Richards

I guess we should distinguish this. It's relatively easy to get a work visa after the relationship has broken down. However, there is a more onerous, rigorous process to go through in order to be granted permanent residence in New Zealand.

4:05 p.m.

Manager, Immigration Policy, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

Christine Hyndman

But it's still 66% getting residence, though.

4:05 p.m.

Senior Solicitor, Corporate and Registries, Ministry of Business, Innovation and Employment of New Zealand

Fraser Richards

That's right.