Evidence of meeting #21 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was abuse.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Kathryn Marshall  Lawyer, As an Individual
Audrey Macklin  Professor and Chair in Human Rights Law, Faculty of Law, University of Toronto, As an Individual
Elizabeth Long  Barrister and Solicitor, Long Mangalji LLP, As an Individual
Poran Poregbal  Founder, Executive Director and Therapist, Greater Vancouver Counselling and Education Society for Families
Laila Fakhri  Crisis Intervention Counsellor, Herizon House Women's Shelter
Adeena Niazi  Executive Director, Afghan Women's Organization

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Crisis Intervention Counsellor, Herizon House Women's Shelter

Laila Fakhri

To a forced marriage.

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Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

But I was asking about violence. Did you say that domestic violence is more likely under arranged marriages compared with other kinds of marriages?

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Crisis Intervention Counsellor, Herizon House Women's Shelter

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Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

What evidence do you have of that? That's a very strong statement.

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Crisis Intervention Counsellor, Herizon House Women's Shelter

Laila Fakhri

The evidence that I have is that I've been working with women who are fleeing that nature of abuse.

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Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

What abuse?

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Crisis Intervention Counsellor, Herizon House Women's Shelter

Laila Fakhri

From the spouse or from parents who force them to agree with the marriage.

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Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

I'm talking about arranged marriages, not forced marriages. Arranged marriages mean that both parties agree.

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Crisis Intervention Counsellor, Herizon House Women's Shelter

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Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

Given that definition of arranged marriages, do you actually have evidence that there's more violence in arranged marriages than in other kinds of marriages?

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Crisis Intervention Counsellor, Herizon House Women's Shelter

Laila Fakhri

I would say yes because when the two are getting married, most of the time the marriage is not based on love or knowing each other personally. It's to bring the other person from overseas.

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Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

That's a sort of philosophical argument.

Do you have physical evidence that? If you look at all the marriages in Canada, there's more violence in arranged marriages than in other marriages. Do you know that to be a fact? Do you have evidence of that?

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Crisis Intervention Counsellor, Herizon House Women's Shelter

Laila Fakhri

I'm talking based on the experience and practice of my 12 years working with abused women and their children.

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Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

So that has been your experience?

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Crisis Intervention Counsellor, Herizon House Women's Shelter

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Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

Do the other witnesses agree with that?

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Executive Director, Afghan Women's Organization

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Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

I was pushing a little bit because there are many arranged marriages and I don't necessarily think they're bad marriages. They come from a different culture. I'm not aware that you can necessarily assume, just because it's an arranged marriage, that you're likely to find more violence.

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Executive Director, Afghan Women's Organization

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Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

Ms. Niazi.

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Executive Director, Afghan Women's Organization

Adeena Niazi

No. Actually we are completely against forced marriages, but we are not against arranged marriages. Most of the cases we've seen have turned out to be successful and good. Sometimes it happens that when you are very young and you fall in love, love is blind. If abuse happens, it could happen in love marriages or arranged marriages. As long as the marriage is not imposed or forced on them.... We actually have some very successful cases.

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Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

Thank you.

Ms. Poregbal.

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Founder, Executive Director and Therapist, Greater Vancouver Counselling and Education Society for Families

Poran Poregbal

I would say that domestic violence and abuse happens in all forms of marriages and partner relationships. It's beyond the formality of marriage, and it's beyond age, sex, ethnicity, and everything else. It happens everywhere, every time, all of the time.

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Liberal

John McCallum Liberal Markham—Unionville, ON

Hopefully not every time but—

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Founder, Executive Director and Therapist, Greater Vancouver Counselling and Education Society for Families

Poran Poregbal

As much as—