Evidence of meeting #45 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ircc.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Dory Jade  Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Association of Professional Immigration Consultants
Loly Rico  President, Canadian Council for Refugees
Richard Kurland  Lawyer and Policy Analyst, As an Individual
David Nurse  Counsel, McInnes Cooper, As an Individual

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON

Is it working well?

5:20 p.m.

Lawyer and Policy Analyst, As an Individual

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON

Okay.

You talked about international.... You talked about the U.S.A., that private company. One of the things you mentioned, Mr. Kurland, was that we could hive off part of the processing to the private sector. Are there companies you would recommend that could do this well?

5:20 p.m.

Lawyer and Policy Analyst, As an Individual

Richard Kurland

There's the Barreau du Québec and the Law Society of British Columbia, both of which I'm a member of, as well as the authorized third party consultants and the other provincial law societies. We're trained. We have insurance policies. We are there to protect the public, and we have a long-term strategic knowledge of Canada's immigration system. Why wouldn't you hive it off to those entities?

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON

Mr. Kurland, I'm going to be honest. I don't understand your artificial intelligence point 100%. If you could take a moment.... I don't understand what happens now, and what you think needs to change.

5:20 p.m.

Lawyer and Policy Analyst, As an Individual

Richard Kurland

It's fantastic. It's the best thing since sliced bread. Rather than hiding it, the department should be bringing it out in public and taking the applause.

For example, it uses past performance. Where they see variables.... Where you have 95% acceptance rates, based on either a visa issued by another country or all of the particular case-specific factors, and 95 times out of 100 there is a positive decision, you tag the acceptable risk level of an adverse outcome and say, “Fine, we'll get it wrong 1 out of 50 times. It's worth the risk”, and you end up with two- to three-day processing periods where it used to take three or four months.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON

So what needs to change, or are you saying it works well?

5:20 p.m.

Lawyer and Policy Analyst, As an Individual

Richard Kurland

It will work well, but disclose it.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON

Okay.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

You have 20 seconds.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

Julie Dzerowicz Liberal Davenport, ON

I think that's it.

Thank you.

5:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Borys Wrzesnewskyj

I'd like to thank our panellists for appearing before the committee. I will now suspend so that we can deal with some committee business in the time left.

Thank you.

[Proceedings continue in camera]