Evidence of meeting #22 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was caregivers.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Elizabeth Connery  Chair, Labour Committee, Canadian Horticultural Council
Kathleen Sullivan  Chief Executive Officer, Food and Beverage Canada
Daniel Vielfaure  Deputy Chief Executive Officer, Groupe Bonduelle, Chief Executive Officer, Bonduelle Americas, and Co-Chair, Food and Beverage Canada
Shaitan Singh Rajpurohit  Chemical Machine Operator, United Refugee Council Canada
Jagdeep Singh Batth  Coordinator, Process Improvement, United Refugee Council Canada
Syed Hussan  Executive Director, Migrant Workers Alliance for Change
Jennifer Rajasekar  Manager, Newcomer Support Services, The Neighbourhood Organization
Maria Esel Panlaqui  Manager, Community Development and Special Projects, The Neighbourhood Organization
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Leif-Erik Aune
Paul Davidson  President, Universities Canada
Wendy Therrien  Director, External Relations and Research, Universities Canada

4:25 p.m.

Chair, Labour Committee, Canadian Horticultural Council

Elizabeth Connery

I would say that having a longer term would certainly have helped with this.

Over this COVID period, on and off, lots of different offices in sending countries or in the commissions in those countries have been closed. Processing applications and processing work permits and those kinds of things have been very problematic. Trying to get things done in a timely fashion has been very difficult for them down there.

If we had something where you knew that these people had been coming back for years and you said that this is good for however many years, then we certainly could have just continued to bring them up. It might not have addressed the fact that we have to find a chartered flight for them this year, but it would certainly have simplified a lot of the paperwork that has to go into it, yes.

4:25 p.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Food and Beverage Canada

Kathleen Sullivan

If I could just—

4:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I am sorry for interrupting, Madam Sullivan, but the time is up. If you want to add something, you can always send a written submission if you don't get the opportunity.

Ms. Kwan, you have two minutes for your round of questioning.

4:25 p.m.

NDP

Jenny Kwan NDP Vancouver East, BC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I want to build on the answer from Mr. Batth on the issue around workers who are already here, the people who are refugees and undocumented workers who are already here. If they were given status, they would actually be able to fill some of these jobs. What would you recommend the government do in this regard?

4:25 p.m.

Coordinator, Process Improvement, United Refugee Council Canada

Jagdeep Singh Batth

In this regard, I would recommend that we first of all give permanent status to the people who are present here. They are present here because they want to be here. They want to work for Canada. They want to be equal partners in the growth and success of this beautiful country.

The second thing is that they are very resourceful. You might realize that many of the temporary workers or refugee claimants have found jobs by themselves without any help from the government. They are pretty resourceful. Not only that; they are doing diverse kinds of jobs. I guess, if they are given a chance.... As Madam Normandin said in her very beautiful comment, workers should have the ability to move from one business to another as need be. I believe if they are given permanent residence, then their inter-business migration will be easier. They won't have to stick to one job. Whenever they find or feel that there is a job in another field, they can obviously go ahead and take advantage of that.

Another thing is that we have two generations. The old generation, or the current generation like me, have at least the core skills—

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I'm sorry for interrupting, Mr. Batth. Your time is up.

With that, our first panel comes to an end. I want to take this opportunity to thank all our witnesses for providing important input toward this study.

If there is anything you would like to add, of if you didn't get the opportunity to talk about something, you can always send us a written submission. We will take that into consideration when we go into the consideration of the report.

Thank you, everyone. I will suspend the meeting for a few minutes to allow the witnesses for the second panel to log in.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I welcome all our witnesses to this panel today as we resume our study on labour market impact assessment under the temporary foreign worker program.

I welcome Universities Canada, represented by Wendy Therrien, director of external relations and research, and Paul Davidson, president. We are also joined by Mr. Syed Hussan, executive director representing Migrant Workers Alliance for Change. I also welcome The Neighbourhood Organization, represented by Maria Esel Panlaqui, manager of community development and special projects, joined by Jennifer Rajasekar, manager of newcomer support services.

Welcome. As a reminder to all the witnesses, you will have five minutes for your opening remarks and you can split your time among the members of your organization.

I will start with Mr. Syed Hussan. You have five minutes for your opening remarks. You may please proceed.

4:40 p.m.

Syed Hussan Executive Director, Migrant Workers Alliance for Change

Honourable members of Parliament, thank you so much for inviting me to speak to you today on behalf of the Migrant Workers Alliance for Change, which serves as the secretariat for the Migrant Rights Network, Canada's only national migrant-led coalition. Cumulatively, Migrant Rights Network member organizations are directly connected to tens of thousands of farm workers, care workers, international students, refugees, asylum seekers, postgraduate work permit holders and undocumented residents.

I'm happy to answer questions about details, but I really want to begin by focusing on the big picture. The labour market impact assessment regime does not meet its most commonly stated objective of ensuring that Canadian workers are hired before foreign nationals.

The two largest LMIA industries are agriculture and food processing and care work. Few Canadians or permanent residents apply for these jobs under existing conditions. Not only that; there are well over a million non-permanent residents with the ability to work in these sectors—on study or work permits or in other streams. or who are undocumented—and employers can and do hire them instead of Canadian citizens.

Neither does the LMIA regime meet its second stated objective, which is protecting foreign workers. Migrant workers do not have direct, enforceable rights under LMIA. There is no legislation that governs enforcement and no court or legal process to turn to for workers to denounce violations of their rights.

Neither is there any meaningful mechanism for ESDC to ensure that workers receive reparations for violations of their rights. All that exists is a tip line, but by law, ESDC is barred from sharing the fact of inspections, and even results of inspections, with the workers who make the complaint. Most inspections are pre-announced, and rarely do they result in increased employer compliance, never mind better worker protections.

Take a moment right now to put yourself in the shoes of a migrant worker hired through the LMIA system. If you were in a low-wage job and you could be fired, made homeless because you live in employer-provided housing, couldn’t immediately move to another job because your permit bars you from doing so, and if you could not return in the future to the country where you worked because employers have control over who gets invited back, would you speak up about your exploitation?

Now think about it inversely. If you were an employer and you knew all this, would you take shortcuts, push your workers harder, and in the worst cases carry out wholesale exploitation and discrimination?

The real objective of the LMIA is to provide a veneer of legitimacy to Canada’s employer-restricted work permit programs, and employer-restricted programs are a system of indentured work. Strip away the talk of protecting Canadian and foreign workers and you find a system that ensures that racialized, low-wage workers are made highly exploitable for sectors that seek to generate massive profit. Canada today is the fifth-largest agri-food exporter in the world, thanks in large part to immigration rules that provide a captive work force to the industry.

The LMIA regime also ensures the continued availability of low-wage labour for sectors such as care work, where women’s work is historically undervalued. Immigration laws permit the ongoing failure to invest in high-quality universal public programs such as child care and elder care.

The question before you isn’t just about LMIAs; it’s fundamentally about whether we want a fair society in which everyone has the same rights, the same access to justice and the same opportunities, or one that favours a system of growing inequality.

I'm calling on you to be part of remaking a fairer food system and a just care economy. This fair society must include full and permanent immigration status for all migrants, including farm workers, care workers, students, refugees and undocumented people in Canada today and must grant landed status on arrival for all migrants in the future. A multi-tier system of immigration whereby some have permanent residency and therefore rights to health care, family unity and freedom from reprisals, while others are temporary or without status, engenders exploitation.

Migrant workers have been saying this to you for decades, but it’s not just them. Let me quote an op-ed published on May 5, 2014, in the Toronto Star about the TFWP: “this is a basic issue of fairness.” It says: “Canada needs to re-commit itself to bringing permanent immigrants here who have a path to citizenship.” This was authored by then-MP, now Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Moreover, Minister Carla Qualtrough said just in June of 2020 about the LMIA-based program “There’s a power imbalance that exists in this system”.

By denying migrants the rights that come with citizenship, laws and lawmakers are tipping the scale in favour of abuse, exploitation, exclusion and death. I’m calling on you to do the right thing. You have the power to act and ensure status for all. That time is now.

Thank you very much.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Thank you.

Before we go to the next witness, I would like to remind all members and witnesses that photographs are not permitted during the committee's proceedings. Please take note of that.

We will now go to The Neighbourhood Organization, and will start with Madam Jennifer Rajasekar, manager, newcomer support services. You will have five minutes for your opening remarks.

Thank you.

4:45 p.m.

Jennifer Rajasekar Manager, Newcomer Support Services, The Neighbourhood Organization

On behalf of TNO, The Neighbourhood Organization, and all of our staff working closely with temporary foreign workers, including migrant workers and caregivers, we would like to thank the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration for giving us the opportunity to speak today.

The TNO, The Neighbourhood Organization, is a well-established, community-based social settlement service agency providing a wide range of programs and services supporting low-income, marginalized newcomers, refugees, and the immigrant community. TNO is a non-profit registered charity funded through generous donations, government grants, foundation supports and corporate partnerships.

TNO offers unique and customized programs designed to provide services to support temporary foreign workers, including immigrants, caregivers under the previous caregivers program, as well as under the home child care provider and home support worker pilot program. TNO has demonstrated a commitment to breaking down barriers to improve service provision and address the service gaps by adapting innovative approaches in response to the unique and complex needs of the vulnerable workforce as well as advocating for them.

For decades, Canadian families have relied on foreign caregivers to look after their children and elderly and support Canadian families. Migrant caregivers, by extension, support the Canadian economy. Considering the vital support these caregivers provide and the personal sacrifice they make, they deserve respect, dignity and compassion. Please don't make it more difficult for them to come here and take care of Canadian families.

We welcome some of the changes to Canada's live-in caregiver program that were announced in 2019, such as occupation-specific work permits, open work permits and study permits for family members. However, the available evidence from migrant caregivers themselves indicates that, overall, the program continues to be problematic insofar is it retains the temporary nature of the system and therefore doesn't address the precariousness of these workers. Further, the current pathway to permanent residency is characterized by restrictive requirements that continue to present significant barriers to caregivers.

Although we have previously stated our position on the residency status for caregivers, it bears repeating that we believe that addressing the issues inherent in the program requires that migrant workers be provided landed status upon arrival. The permanent solution is permanent residency. By doing this, caregivers and their families would be able to more fully participate and contribute to Canadian society.

Now I ask my colleague, Esel Panlaqui, to continue with this.

4:45 p.m.

Maria Esel Panlaqui Manager, Community Development and Special Projects, The Neighbourhood Organization

Thank you, Jennifer.

For many of our migrant caregiver clients, the COVID-19 pandemic has worsened their employment conditions. There continue to be many abusive and inconsiderate employers who force these workers to work long hours without compensation. Some employers do not allow migrant caregivers to leave the residence—not even for a walking exercise that will reduce their stress levels—and many caregivers simply have no time for themselves. Because of their precarious status, caregivers cannot advocate—

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

Marc Serré Liberal Nickel Belt, ON

Excuse me, Madam Chair, but the witness has no mike.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Sorry for interrupting. I've stopped the clock.

Madame Normandin, you had your hand raised.

4:45 p.m.

Bloc

Christine Normandin Bloc Saint-Jean, QC

We have no interpretation.

4:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Mr. Clerk, can you look into it?

4:45 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Mr. Leif-Erik Aune

Yes, our IT ambassador will contact Ms. Panlaqui by phone as soon as she's finished her intervention with a view to optimizing her audio, and we'll try to find out what the problem is. Thank you.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

We cannot have, Mr. Clerk, the translation while she is talking?

4:50 p.m.

The Clerk

I hope so. She might wish to start talking again and we'll see. Perhaps she could talk more slowly and as clearly and loudly as possible.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Ms. Panlaqui, could you please speak a bit louder and a bit slower so we can get the interpretation.

Can you please try to say a few words.

4:50 p.m.

Manager, Community Development and Special Projects, The Neighbourhood Organization

Maria Esel Panlaqui

Okay.

For many of our migrant caregiver clients, the COVID-19 pandemic has worsened their employment conditions. There continue to be many abusive and inconsiderate employers who force these workers to work long hours without compensation.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I'm sorry for interrupting. Is this working?

4:50 p.m.

The Clerk

Unfortunately, the audio is having a detrimental impact on our services. I'm not sure exactly why, but it's causing injury to the ears. If the witness doesn't have a headset, then under the circumstances, it might be helpful if Ms. Rajasekar gave the intervention on behalf of the organization.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Ms. Panlaqui, do you have a headset?

4:50 p.m.

Manager, Community Development and Special Projects, The Neighbourhood Organization

Maria Esel Panlaqui

Unfortunately, I don't have a headset.

4:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

You have two remaining minutes, because Ms. Rajasekar talked for three minutes. Is it possible that she can talk on behalf of the TNO?