Evidence of meeting #61 for Citizenship and Immigration in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was afghanistan.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Stephen Salewicz  Director General, International Humanitarian Assistance, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Marie-Louise Hannan  Director General, South Asia Bureau, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Christopher Gibbins  Executive Director, Afghanistan-Pakistan, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development
Nancy Segal  Deputy Director, Crime and Terrorism Policy Division, Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 61 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Friday, October 7, 2022, today we continue our study of the government's response to the final report of the Special Committee on Afghanistan.

I welcome the Honourable Harjit Sajjan, Minister of International Development, and the officials to the Standing Committee on Citizenship and Immigration.

Welcome, Minister. Thanks a lot for appearing before the committee.

The Minister is joined by officials from the Department of Foreign Affairs, Trade and Development. We have Marie-Louise Hannan, director general, South Asia bureau; Stephen Salewicz, director general, international humanitarian assistance; Christopher Gibbins, executive director, Afghanistan and Pakistan; and Nancy Segal, deputy director, crime and terrorism policy division.

I would like to welcome the minister and the officials to this committee.

Minister, you have five minutes for your opening remarks, and then we will go into a round of questioning. Please begin.

4:30 p.m.

Bloc

Rhéal Fortin Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Madam Chair, on a point of order.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Yes.

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Bloc

Rhéal Fortin Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Were the sound tests done with the people who are online, and were the results satisfactory?

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Yes. All the tests were done beforehand, so everything is good to go.

Minister, please begin.

April 26th, 2023 / 4:30 p.m.

Vancouver South B.C.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan LiberalMinister of International Development

Madam Chair and members of the committee, I'd like to begin my remarks by restating the Government of Canada's commitment to the Afghan people as they face a dire humanitarian crisis with the reversal of many of the gains made over the last 20 years. Canada has supported and will continue to support the most vulnerable Afghans, particularly the many women and girls who have experienced the removal of their most basic rights and freedoms.

Our government is grateful for the work of the Special Committee on Afghanistan and its report and recommendations to provide support to the Afghan people. We are taking a whole-of-government approach in responding to the committee's report. This has required and will continue to require a coordinated effort across several departments.

Since the Taliban took over as the de facto authority in Afghanistan, Canada has faced significant challenges in providing consular support to assist vulnerable Afghans who want to come to Canada, and in delivering much-needed international assistance. We are witnessing the rapid—

4:30 p.m.

Bloc

Rhéal Fortin Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

Madam Chair, there is no interpretation.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

We'll check the interpretation.

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Bloc

Rhéal Fortin Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC

The witness would have to start again from the beginning, because there is no interpretation.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Okay, let us check the interpretation and then we will continue.

Minister, if you can, start from the beginning, please. I'm sorry.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

I'd like to begin my remarks by restating the Government of Canada's commitment to the Afghan people as they face a dire humanitarian crisis with the reversal of many of the gains made over the last 20 years. Canada has supported and will continue to support the most vulnerable Afghans, particularly the many women and girls who have experienced the removal of their most basic rights and freedoms.

Our government is grateful for the work of the Special Committee on Afghanistan and its report and recommendations to provide further support to the Afghan people. We are taking a whole-of-government approach in responding to the committee's report. This has required and will continue to require a coordinated effort across several departments.

Since the Taliban took over as the de facto authority in Afghanistan, Canada has faced significant challenges in providing consular support to assist vulnerable Afghans who want to come to Canada, and in delivering much-needed international assistance. We are witnessing the rapid deterioration of human rights and freedoms in Afghanistan as a result of the Taliban's highly repressive and indefensible policies towards women and girls.

I'm here today to speak to the progress made on the recommendations from the Special Committee on Afghanistan in its final report. I want to highlight areas where Canada has focused its efforts since the tabling of the government response.

Humanitarian conditions in Afghanistan have significantly deteriorated since the Taliban's takeover in August 2021. We are now seeing over 28 million people—nearly two-thirds of the population—in need of urgent assistance. This is up from 18.4 million at the start of 2021. Afghans are suffering one of the world's worst humanitarian crises, with needs emerging across all sectors, resulting in nearly half the population experiencing acute food insecurity.

Canada has been steadfast in its continued support of the humanitarian needs of the most vulnerable Afghans, including women and girls. We have found ways to deliver assistance in this difficult environment through experienced international humanitarian organizations and ensuring that it reaches those in need.

In 2022, Canada provided over $143 million to support efforts in delivering much-needed emergency food and nutrition assistance, health services, emergency shelter, and protection services in Afghanistan and in neighbouring countries. As a nation, we continue to offer our support in 2023.

I just want to state that the Taliban's status as a terrorist group has imposed constraints on Canada's charities, non-governmental organizations and government officials wishing to deliver aid in Afghanistan, as any taxes, tariffs or fees paid to the Taliban risk contravening the Criminal Code's counterterrorism financing provisions.

In March, my colleague, Minister Mendicino, tabled Bill C-41, an amendment to the Criminal Code that would facilitate our humanitarian, human rights and safe-passage work in Afghanistan by providing an authorization regime that could shelter Canadian organizations providing needed activities from the risk of criminal liability. With this amendment, we aim to provide more flexibility to our partners to deliver on our humanitarian responsibilities while ensuring that Canada's counterterrorism measures remain strong and effective.

Increasingly, the Taliban is restricting the rights and freedoms of Afghan women and girls, including their freedom of movement and dress, as well as their ability to work in the profession of their choice or to receive an education. We are alarmed by the Taliban's decree of December 2022—which banned female NGO workers from providing assistance and in April was subsequently extended to women working for United Nations agencies—particularly in light of the humanitarian crisis, as well as by the outrageous ban on women attending university. The Government of Canada has repeatedly, at the highest level, strongly condemned the Taliban's attempt to erase girls and women from public life in Afghanistan.

As these restrictions increase, Canada's support for Afghan women and girls has not wavered. Canada continues to advocate strongly for the full realization of Afghan women's and girls' rights at every opportunity, including through outreach by our special representative for Afghanistan and our permanent missions at the United Nations in New York and in Geneva, as well as through our civil society partners and on social media.

Additionally, Canadian officials consult regularly with a broad range of Afghan women leaders and human rights defenders in order to better understand their needs and how we can best support them. The international community, including Canada, is working together in a strong, coordinated effort to fiercely advocate for the rights of Afghan women and girls, and to call on the Taliban to reverse the bans and protect the fundamental rights and freedoms of the Afghan people.

In conclusion, the Government of Canada is committed to doing all it can to address the recommendations made in the special committee's report. We remain committed to the people of Afghanistan and to calling out the Taliban for its unacceptable repression of the rights of women and girls.

Thank you for your time. I'm looking forward to the questions.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Salma Zahid

Thank you, Minister.

We will now proceed with our rounds of questioning. We will begin with Ms. Rempel Garner.

Ms. Rempel Garner, you will have six minutes. Please begin.

4:35 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Thank you, Chair.

Minister, my questions will pertain to a document entitled “Visa Facilitation Letter”, which was sent by your former chief of staff, George Young, to Senator McPhedran, who then, in turn, sent it to several hundred Afghan nationals for the purpose of attempting to evacuate them from Afghanistan.

At the time that Mr. Young sent Senator McPhedran the facilitation letter template, were you aware that he had done so?

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

To answer that question very directly, I was aware that facilitation letters were used because of the obstacles in the way of getting people to the airport, but, no, I did not authorize, nor was I aware of, how the dissemination of those letters was being done.

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Were you aware that Mr. Young had sent the visa facilitation letter to Senator McPhedran?

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Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

Again, as to the facilitation letters, I was very focused on the operations and what was taking place on the ground. As you can imagine, it was a very high-risk operation—

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Thank you.

I'm asking specifically about the letter that your chief of staff sent to Senator McPhedran. Senator McPhedran claims that you were copied on an email and that you knew. Is that incorrect?

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

I can tell you straight out that, when it comes to those facilitation letters, I did not authorize, nor did I authorize anyone—

4:40 p.m.

Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I'm not asking about authorizing; I'm asking whether or not you knew that your chief of staff had sent that to Senator McPhedran. Those are two separate things. She claimed in testimony here that you knew, that you were copied on an email. Is that correct?

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

I can tell you that I'm not aware of how the dissemination of the facilitation—

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

Again, because I want to get to the heart of the matter, did you know that your chief of staff sent the visa facilitation template to Senator McPhedran?

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Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

I can tell you that I do not know how the facilitation letters were disseminated, including—

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

I'll take that as a yes, because she—

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Harjit S. Sajjan Liberal Vancouver South, BC

No—

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Conservative

Michelle Rempel Conservative Calgary Nose Hill, AB

So it's a no. You didn't know.