Evidence of meeting #31 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was provinces.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Christine Cram  Assistant Deputy Minister, Education and Social Development Programs and Partnerships Sector, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Mary Quinn  Director General, Social Policy and Programs Branch, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development
Odette Johnston  Director, Social Programs Reform Directorate, Department of Indian Affairs and Northern Development

12:45 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

I wouldn't presume to judge what the committee would choose to do with the witnesses who come before committee. The committee could choose to look at further aspects of this, but I would suggest that this is an informational piece for the committee and that they could then decide whether there was further work required.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Go ahead, Mr. Duncan.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

John Duncan Conservative Vancouver Island North, BC

If I may add, what your motion refers to is the 2008 report. The 2009 report will be tabled, presumably, next month. Would it not be appropriate to bring this back to the committee once we know what the 2009 report states? That would be the report from Howard Sapers, the correctional investigator, for 2009.

12:45 p.m.

NDP

Jean Crowder NDP Nanaimo—Cowichan, BC

I would suggest we should go ahead and invite Mr. Sapers in any event. If there's a radical improvement in 2009, I think we would all roll over in shock, because of course over the last couple of years his reports have not indicated significant improvements. By the time he actually comes before the committee, that other report will be out. It might be a celebratory thing, but I would doubt it.

We also know how challenging it is to actually schedule people's time into this committee. So I would just say that we should support my motion and invite Mr. Sapers to come before the committee.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Mr. Russell.

12:45 p.m.

Liberal

Todd Russell Liberal Labrador, NL

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

The timing can be distinct from whether Mr. Sapers appears or not. We can agree with this particular motion to invite him and to talk about his 2008 report. It may not happen until he has tabled his 2009 report, but one doesn't predispose taking away what Ms. Crowder is proposing to the committee.

When it comes to the business of the committee, I don't think that because it's called the “correctional” report it distinctly lies within the purview of security or corrections. For instance, the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples could fall under foreign affairs or the justice committee. Just because it has a name attached to it doesn't necessarily mean that it falls outside the purview of this particular committee.

The report itself talks about culturally relevant programming to aboriginal people. It directly talks about the incarceration rates of aboriginal people. It directly talks about the incarceration rates when it comes to women and the treatment of aboriginal women specifically. I think that does fall within the purview of this particular committee. So from a technical vantage point, I don't see anything stopping us from entertaining this particular motion.

Outside the technical arguments of trying not to have Mr. Sapers appear or talk about this particular issue, is there any other fundamental issue that others around the table have? Technically, I don't think it falls outside the purview of this committee at all.

12:45 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Are there any other comments? Are there any other questions, or are members ready for the question?

(Motion agreed to) [See Minutes of Proceedings]

I think that's all we have for today.

Larry, go ahead.

12:45 p.m.

Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

Could I just ask a question about what the subcommittee decided to do with these huge lists of witnesses and how that's going to be determined?

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

Yes. Because it's such a large list—and we thank you, by the way, for submitting some suggestions—we, meaning me and the analysts, are going to work at that list based on the suggestions that have been made. We may be back in touch with you, Mr. Bagnell, about some specific questions about Whitehorse in the next day or so. But we'll put together a draft witness list for the study in the days ahead and we'll get that back to committee, hopefully by Tuesday of next week.

C'est ca?

Mr. Rickford.

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

Greg Rickford Conservative Kenora, ON

Mr. Chair, with respect to the Whitehorse portion of the trip, could I just ask that the member who makes his hometown there make some recommendations on where we might stay?

12:50 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Bruce Stanton

The likelihood is that the hotel accommodations are going to be fairly narrow in terms of what we have in choices. But certainly for eating establishments, yes, we'll be looking to the member for Yukon for some good advice there.

Thank you very much for the good questions. Merci beaucoup.

The meeting is adjourned.