Evidence of meeting #29 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 43rd Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was chair.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Jacques Maziade  Legislative Clerk
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Naaman Sugrue
Koren Marriott  Senior Counsel, Aboriginal Law Centre, Aboriginal Affairs Portfolio, Department of Justice
Laurie Sargent  Assistant Deputy Minister, Aboriginal Affairs Portfolio, Department of Justice
Philippe Méla  Legislative Clerk

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Go ahead, Mr. Powlowski.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Marcus Powlowski Liberal Thunder Bay—Rainy River, ON

I'm new to this, but I would like to know exactly what I'm voting on. I do have the proposed amendments, the documents sent to me on this computer. On my other computer, I actually have Bill C-15, but the proposed amendment is saying line 3 on page 5. In my Bill C-15, I don't have any page number or line number. I'm not sure where the amendment is going. It would be nice to know exactly what the proposed change is.

Is there a document that I'm missing here that would make this easier for me?

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Mr. Clerk, in reference to that...?

11:40 a.m.

The Clerk

Mr. Powlowski, I don't know if you have page 5 of your bill in front of you.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Marcus Powlowski Liberal Thunder Bay—Rainy River, ON

I just don't have a page number on the bill. I have a bill, but the computer version, as far as I see, has no page number on it.

11:40 a.m.

The Clerk

The line number is in the middle, between the two columns. You have a little 5, little 10, little 15, 20, 25. These are the line numbers in English. In French it's on the right side of the page.

The page number is at the bottom of the page in the middle. You have the line numbers and the page number.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Marcus Powlowski Liberal Thunder Bay—Rainy River, ON

They're not in the version that I'm looking at, but I'll figure it out. Thanks.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Eric Melillo Conservative Kenora, ON

Marcus, I think Jaime is trying to give you a demonstration.

11:40 a.m.

Legislative Clerk

Jacques Maziade

Yes, someone is showing the page number. Mr. Battiste is showing the page number right now.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Marcus Powlowski Liberal Thunder Bay—Rainy River, ON

Yes, but the version I have doesn't show that. I'll try to find out.

11:40 a.m.

The Clerk

If you can see paragraph 4(a), it says,

affirm the Declaration as a universal international

In the second line, starting with “human rights” the amendment changes this line to read “human rights instrument with application in federal”.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

Marcus Powlowski Liberal Thunder Bay—Rainy River, ON

Okay. Thanks.

11:40 a.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Mr. Powlowski, I had the same problem. You have to click on the PDF. If you scroll up to the top, there's a little red square that says “PDF”. Then you'll get the page numbers and line numbers.

11:40 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Thanks, Arnold. Thanks, Marcus.

On the Bloc amendment, shall it carry?

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Arnold Viersen Conservative Peace River—Westlock, AB

Yes.

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

It will be on a recorded division.

Sorry; go ahead, Ms. Gill.

11:45 a.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Is it going to be a recorded division, Mr. Chair?

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

It will be a recorded division on everything today.

11:45 a.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Thank you.

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

Okay.

(Amendment negatived: nays 6; yeas 5 [See Minutes of Proceedings])

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

The amendment is lost.

Shall clause 4 carry?

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

Hang on, Mr. Chair. I want to go back to my—

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

At that point, do you want to intervene?

11:45 a.m.

Conservative

Jamie Schmale Conservative Haliburton—Kawartha Lakes—Brock, ON

Yes, I do, please.

With everything going on, I think we all have papers everywhere. Clearly, there's back-and-forth. At some points, I'm having the same problem that Mr. Powlowski is having.

There are amendments that we wanted to raise in a previous section. Can we go line by line? I think that would be a lot easier for everyone, rather than bouncing around from place to place. Otherwise, I need to go back, because there are motions I wanted to raise in the clarification section. Going line by line is how I used to do it in previous committees, so is there a possibility of doing that?

11:45 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Bob Bratina

There is.

Mr. Anandasangaree has his hand up. I'll ask him.