Evidence of meeting #45 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was north.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Vanessa Davies
Wayne Walsh  Director General, Northern Strategic Policy Branch, Northern Affairs, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs
Daniel Quan-Watson  Deputy Minister, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting number 45 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Indigenous and Northern Affairs.

We acknowledge that we are meeting on the unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people.

Today we are considering supplementary estimates (B), 2022‑23.

First we have the Minister of Northern Affairs and his officials. They will be followed, in the second hour, by the Minister of Crown-Indigenous Relations, accompanied by his officials.

I'd like to make a few introductory remarks.

Please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking.

You have a choice at the bottom of the screen between the floor, English, or French. There may be questions in Inuktitut. So you may now select the language you prefer to hear.

I remind everyone that all comments should be addressed through the chair. For members in the room, if you wish to speak, please raise your hand. For members on Zoom, please use the “raise hand” function. The clerk and I will try to respect the speaking order as well as we can, and we appreciate your patience and understanding in this regard.

With that, I would like to welcome the Minister of Northern Affairs, Minister Vandal, and his team.

You will have five minutes for your introductory remarks, and this will be followed by a question period.

We'll go over to you, Minister Vandal.

4 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Pardon me, Mr. Chair.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

Go ahead, Mrs. Gill.

4 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

I raised my hand regarding the sound checks. We have a witness who is online, and I'd like to make sure the sound checks have been done.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

Madam Clerk, have we completed the sound tests for those who are on Zoom?

4 p.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Vanessa Davies

No, I didn't. We were waiting for the bells. I apologize, sir.

Mr. Walsh, can you hear me? We'll do a quick sound check.

4 p.m.

Wayne Walsh Director General, Northern Strategic Policy Branch, Northern Affairs, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs

Yes, I can hear you. Thank you.

4 p.m.

The Clerk

Can I get the thumbs-up from the interpreter?

Mr. Walsh, can you tell me what the weather is like where you are?

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Director General, Northern Strategic Policy Branch, Northern Affairs, Department of Crown-Indigenous Relations and Northern Affairs

Wayne Walsh

It's about 5°C and the sun is going down quickly, as it does at this time of the year.

4 p.m.

The Clerk

I think we can hear you just fine. Thank you, Mr. Walsh.

I'm sorry about that, Mr. Chair.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

Thank you.

Minister Vandal, if you are ready, you will have five minutes to make your introductory remarks.

Go ahead, please. The microphone is yours.

4 p.m.

Saint Boniface—Saint Vital Manitoba

Liberal

Dan Vandal LiberalMinister of Northern Affairs

Thank you so much for the introduction, Mr. Chair.

I'm glad to be here today to discuss and answer questions about the 2022-23 supplementary estimates (B) for northern affairs.

Joining me today is Paula Isaak, associate deputy minister of CIRNAC; Georgina Lloyd, assistant deputy minister of Northern Affairs; and Darlene Bess, chief finances results and delivery officer.

CIRNAC's final supplementary estimates for 2022-23 reflect a net increase of $6.3 billion, and of that, $130.8 million is for northern affairs.

My department continues to work on a number of priorities together with Indigenous, territorial and Northern partners. One of the most pressing, and a significant part of these supplementary estimates, is addressing food insecurity across the North and Arctic, because everyone deserves access to affordable and healthy food, no matter where they live.

Much has been said about nutrition north over the last few weeks. I’d like to be clear: no one government program will address food insecurity on its own, which is why we are taking a whole of government approach.

New funding for Northern Affairs includes $87.5 million for Northern Food Security, which was allocated through Budget 2021 and will allow the nutrition north Canada grant and contribution program to better support local food systems in communities across the North and Arctic.

This initiative also broadens the harvesters support grant with additional funding for the new community food programs fund to support food-sharing activities that include market, country and locally grown foods. Together, the harvesters support grant and community food programs fund mark a fundamental shift by empowering communities to determine their own food security priorities. These new measures were co-developed in full partnership and reflect the priorities of northerners.

With respect to climate change and cleaner energy, communities in the North and Arctic are seeing the effects of climate change at a much higher and drastic rate than in the rest of Canada. It’s impacting the traditional way of life and more.

These estimates also include $5.5 million to support flood mapping in First Nation communities in the North.

Many northern and Arctic communities have no choice but to rely on costly and polluting diesel to light and heat their homes. The estimates also include $6.2 million of re-profiled contribution funding for clean energy projects in the north, allowing for “by the north, for the north” solutions in the transition to clean energy and reducing reliance on diesel. The two streams consist of $2.2 million for community clean energy and $4 million to support planning and feasibility for hydroelectricity and grid interconnection projects in the north.

Just last month, I travelled to Rankin Inlet and Iqaluit to announce our government's support for the feasibility and planning of the Kivalliq hydro-fibre link project, where we invested $7 million, and the Iqaluit hydroelectric project, where we invested $4 million. These important projects aim to get Rankin Inlet and Iqaluit off diesel and onto cleaner, more reliable energy.

As part of our efforts to clean up our environment, there is also $1 million in new funding to begin collecting data to address plastic pollution in Northern environments.

There is also $28.5 million being brought forward from the previous year for the Northern Abandoned Mine Reclamation Program to advance planned remediation activities in 2022‑23.

This reprofile will support the reduction of risk to human health and the environment, and will ensure that affected communities see the social and economic benefits of these clean ups.

Thank you for allowing me the opportunity to appear before you today and provide a summary of how these estimates will support Northern Affairs.

It's great to be here. Qujannamiik.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Marc Garneau

Thank you very much, Minister.

We will now go to the period of questions.

We'll begin with the Conservatives and Mr. Zimmer for six minutes.

December 8th, 2022 / 4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thanks to the minister for appearing today.

I have an article in front of me from Nunatsiaq News about housing in Nunavut, or, more specifically, the lack of housing in Nunavut. I was up there recently, as you probably know, Minister, and I heard there was an urgent need for many houses. Thousands are required.

Maybe I'll ask it this way, because you've seen them built and I haven't. How much housing has been built in Nunavut this year?

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

Since I became Minister of Northern Affairs, this is the issue that has come up most often in all my communications and consultations, both real and virtual. I know this is a priority for our government. We have several funding sources for housing. We have the national housing strategy, which is a $70-billion policy over 10 years—

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

I'm sorry to interrupt you, Minister. I know about all the promises.

You made another commitment recently, but the question was, how many houses were built?

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

In budget 2022, we established $4.4 billion over five years, including $800 million to be invested in—

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

I'm sorry to interrupt you, Minister—

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Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

—Inuit Nunangat alone. I was up in Gjoa Haven—

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

The question was, how many? The answer is zero.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

That's absolutely not true. I was in Gjoa Haven in July—

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

How many were built? That's the question I'm trying to get to.

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

I don't have a precise number on how many were built, but I can tell you that there is construction going on as we speak. There is a lot of work to do because the deficits were huge. We are slowly chipping away at those deficits. Much more work needs to be done.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Minister, the article—

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

Dan Vandal Liberal Saint Boniface—Saint Vital, MB

I can tell you that I was in Gjoa Haven—