Evidence of meeting #56 for Indigenous and Northern Affairs in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was language.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Rebecca Mearns  President, Nunavut Arctic College
Nikki Osborne  Teacher and Graduation Coach, Keewaytinook Internet High School
Shelagh Rowles  Provost and Vice-President Academic, Yukon University
Kevin Lewis  Assistant Professor, University of Saskatchewan, Kâniyâsihk Culture Camps, As an Individual
Marie Battiste  Special Advisor to the Vice President Academic, Provost on Decolonizing the Academy, Cape Breton University
Marco Bacon  Director, Office of Inclusion and Student Success, Université du Québec à Montréal

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jenica Atwin

Good afternoon, everyone. I call the meeting to order.

Welcome to the 56th meeting of the Standing Committee on Indigenous and Northern Affairs.

We acknowledge that we meet on the unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format pursuant to the House order of Thursday, June 23, 2022. Members will participate in person or by using the Zoom application. The proceedings will be made available on the House of Commons website. For your information, the webcast will always show the individual speaking rather than the entirety of the committee.

For those participating virtually, I would like to outline a few rules to follow.

You may speak in the official language of your choice. Interpretation services are available for this meeting in French, English and Inuktitut. You have the choice, at the bottom of your screen of the floor, Inuktitut, English or French. Please select your language now. If interpretation is lost, please inform me immediately, and we will ensure that interpretation is properly restored before resuming our proceedings.

For members participating in person, proceed as you usually would when the whole committee is meeting in person in a committee room.

Before speaking, please wait until I recognize you by name. If you are on the video conference, please click on the microphone icon to unmute yourself. For those in the room, your mike will be controlled as normal by the proceedings and verification officer.

Please, direct your remarks to the Chair.

When speaking, please speak slowly and clearly. When you are not speaking, your mike should be on mute.

With regard to a speaking list, the committee clerk and I will do the best we can to maintain a consolidated order of speaking for all members, whether they are participating virtually or in person.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on November 21, 2022, the committee is resuming its study of improving graduation rates of indigenous students.

Today, in our first panel, we welcome from Keewaytinook Internet High School, Nikki Osborne, teacher and graduation coach. From Nunavut Arctic College, we welcome Rebecca Mearns, the president. From Yukon University, we welcome Shelagh Rowles, provost and vice-president academic, who is here by video conference.

Please correct me if I've said any of your names improperly.

We are going to begin with Ms. Mearns.

You'll start us off with five minutes.

3:40 p.m.

Rebecca Mearns President, Nunavut Arctic College

Qujannamiik, Chair.

3:40 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Madam Chair, please excuse me. I raised my hand virtually.

First, I want to congratulate you for your new position; I was unable to do so last time. I'm sure that everything will go very well. I'm pleased that you are our new Chair, as much as I greatly appreciated Mr. Garneau.

Also, I'd like to discuss the motion for which I gave notice just over a week ago. I do not know if it is possible to do so now.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jenica Atwin

Mrs. Gill, I invite you to seize the opportunity during your turn to present your motion.

3:40 p.m.

Bloc

Marilène Gill Bloc Manicouagan, QC

Very well, thank you.

3:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jenica Atwin

Ms. Mearns, if you'd like to start, you have five minutes.

3:40 p.m.

President, Nunavut Arctic College

Rebecca Mearns

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I would like to thank you for inviting me here today to speak with you. My name is Rebecca Mearns. I'm the president of Nunavut Arctic College. I work out of Iqaluit.

To give you a little background, Nunavut Arctic College is both a post-secondary institute and a public agency of the Government of Nunavut. It was created through the Nunavut Arctic College Act on January 1, 1995. The college is situated within Inuit Nunangat and serves the largest post-secondary region in Canada. It's represented by a network of sites, supports and people across the territory, providing a diverse range of programs, including adult education; certificate, diploma and degree programs; as well as cultural programming and certified trades. Nunavut Arctic College's facilities include 25 community learning centres, three regional campuses, one cultural school and one trade school.

Some of our longest-running programs include the Nunavut teacher education program, which provides graduates with a Bachelor of Education, and the environmental technology diploma program. Both programs have been running for over 35 years.

During my time with the college, I have seen the opportunities and the challenges that come with delivering post-secondary education in Nunavut. Today I will share an example of a program that has received significant investment for expansion of delivery, the Nunavut teacher education program.

The Nunavut teacher education program, through a tripartite working group between the Government of Nunavut, the Government of Canada through Canadian Heritage, and Nunavut Tunngavik Inc., received $34.7 million to fund the pathfinder project. This project not only allowed the college to expand the delivery of the program; it also included dedicated funds to revitalize the program. Through this funding, the college almost doubled the number of communities offering the Bachelor of Education program. This has been such an important investment in the college and for Nunavut, providing decentralized training for Inuit and other Nunavummiut and providing the necessary credentials for those individuals to become teachers within our elementary schools.

The program now embeds Inuit language and culture courses into the first two years of this five-year program. In doing this, students now have an exit option after two years, having earned an Inuktut language and cultural diploma. Exit and entry points are an important feature for adult learners. The college is proud of the work it has done to create these laddering opportunities. The pathfinder funding included academic and non-academic supports to encourage student success. Key supports identified by the college included academic tutors, Inuit cultural advisers and elders, and information technology.

I can't overstate the magnitude of this investment. Over the past two years, the college has gone from delivering the Nunavut teacher education program in eight Nunavut communities, with approximately 90 students, to our current delivery in 15 communities, with over 170 students enrolled. For a small institution with just over 270 staff and faculty positions, this is an incredible increase.

The rollout of this expansion has not been without its challenges, of course. One of our biggest challenges is space for the delivery of the program. The investment into the teacher education program has allowed the college to deliver the B.Ed., as I said, across 15 communities in community learning centres. Eleven of these 25 community learning centres, or CLCs, are small one- and two-classroom buildings. Seventeen of the CLCs were built in the 1990s or earlier, with one being built in 1965 and five in the 1970s.

By delivering the Nunavut teacher education program, we're dedicating that classroom space for upwards of five years. If that is the only classroom in that community learning centre, that means we're not able to deliver other programming there until this program is complete. Of course, there are so many programs that are of interest to our community members.

As we see increasing success through the expansion of the Nunavut teacher education program, it's evident that more major infrastructure investments are needed before we can explore the expansion of any of our other existing or future programs. This also means that investment is needed in the housing sector. Although Nunavut Arctic College does have the ability to offer some single and family units, we're very limited and often the requests highly outnumber the number of houses available for our students.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jenica Atwin

I'm sorry, Ms. Mearns. Perhaps you could add the rest of your comments during the question and answer period. Your time is up.

3:45 p.m.

Mearns

Absolutely.

3:45 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jenica Atwin

Thank you.

Ms. Osborne, you have five minutes.

3:45 p.m.

Nikki Osborne Teacher and Graduation Coach, Keewaytinook Internet High School

[Witness spoke in Oji-Cree]

[English]

For the past nine years, I've had the best job in the world, which is obviously being a teacher. I've had the honour of working exclusively with indigenous students from northern Ontario. The vast majority of my students come from small fly-in communities. For the past three years, I've worked as the graduation coach at Keewaytinook Internet High School.

I could talk to you all day about student success and graduation rates—so let me know what you're doing later. I'm no expert, but I have seen what moves the mark and what makes the difference. What it boils down to are holistic student supports delivered by caring and dedicated people.

I hope today that I can talk to you at length about our successful adult education program. This program is delivered by our co-op teacher, who is the same person who oversees our nutrition program. This allows students to access healthy and tasty food at breakfast, at lunch, during evening study hall tutorials and weekend catch-up sessions. All of these classroom hours are of course supervised by our amazing teachers. Please ask me about them later.

Please ask me about our course specialist. She does really important things, like make sure our lessons reflect pedagogy that would make any ministry inspector smile. My favourite thing that she does is to work online one on one with students. Even a learner who is going through yet another lockdown or is out of town receiving medically necessary treatment not available in their home community—by the way, I'm not talking about complex care like seeing a specialist or anything like that, but X-rays—can access the support of a teacher.

Please ask me about our two full-time wellness workers. They work day to day to support students with their mental health and well-being, but they're also there in a time of crisis. They literally answer their phones 24-7, and I do not know how our school could function without their support.

Please ask me about our student success team made up of our special education resource teacher, our student achievement officer and our student success teacher.

I hope today you have time to ask me about our amazing native language teacher. She offers six indigenous language courses in three different dialects. She also helps teachers like me improve my pronunciation. She works very closely with our land-based teacher to provide culturally important learning opportunities on the land for our students.

Ask me today about our guidance counsellors, administrators, support staff and classroom assistants who are hired from within our communities. All of the success that we have seen and continue to strive for at Keewaytinook Internet High School is 100% a team effort.

If you ask me, I'll tell you what a graduation coach does too.

I can also tell you that as investors and stakeholders we all know that early supports will always be more effective than any late interventions. I promise you that a speech and language pathologist seeing a kindergarten student who is non-verbal will always be more effective than any tutoring I can give in high school. I promise you that a designated early reading intervention teacher in grade 2 will be far more effective in improving graduation rates than any IEP that can be written in high school.

We need to work with local education authorities to make sure that the desperately needed special education support is in place. I don't need to tell you the effect that COVID-19 has had in the last few years.

We also need to give my potential grads a reason to graduate. We need to work with local bands and industry to provide employment opportunities both on and off reserve.

Graduating from high school is not easy, and it shouldn't be easy. I don't want it to be easy. No meaningful learning has ever come from easy. As I have told many of my frustrated students, if graduating from high school were easy, then everybody would have a diploma.

We need to take actionable steps to get rid of unnecessary barriers—barriers that my children and your children will never have to face. Let's work together to get rid of these inequalities so that students can roll up their sleeves and get on with the meaningful and purposeful hard work of earning their diploma.

Chi-meegwetch.

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jenica Atwin

Thank you very much, Ms. Osborne.

We'll now go to Ms. Rowles from Yukon University by video conference.

Can you please turn on your camera, Ms. Rowles?

3:50 p.m.

Dr. Shelagh Rowles Provost and Vice-President Academic, Yukon University

Can you see me yet?

3:50 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jenica Atwin

There we go.

3:50 p.m.

Provost and Vice-President Academic, Yukon University

Dr. Shelagh Rowles

Thank you to the indigenous and northern affairs committee for the opportunity to speak to you today on improving graduation rates and successful outcomes for indigenous students.

My name is Shelagh Rowles. I'm the provost and vice-president academic at Yukon University. I began working at the university in 1991 when it was Yukon College, spending my first six years in the fly-in community of Old Crow.

Typically, I would be joining you from my office in Whitehorse, located on the traditional territories of the Kwanlin Dun First Nation and the Ta'an Kwach'an Council, but today I’m joining you from Moab, Utah, on the traditional and ancestral lands of the bands of the Ute and the clans of the Ancestral Pueblo people.

I’ll start by telling you more about Yukon University. We're a progressive post-secondary institution and Canada’s first and currently only university north of 60. Yukon U is early in our journey to becoming a university, but we've been providing post-secondary education in the north since 1963. Our 13 campuses are situated on the traditional territories of the 14 Yukon first nations in 12 communities. Our vision is to become a thriving learning and research community leading Canada’s north.

The university's first strategic plan sets out one of our priorities for the next five years as taking our place in advancing reconciliation. That means we'll strengthen our collaboration with Yukon first nations to meet their goals in education.

Little Salmon Carmacks elder and chief Roddy Blackjack, often spoke of the importance of keeping indigenous and western world views side by side. Every graduate and employee of Yukon U must complete a Yukon first nations competency to ensure understanding and appreciation for the unique context we operate in throughout the Yukon.

It’s also important for me to mention to you that Yukon University operates in a territory that, like many other places in Canada, has been rocked by several concurrent crises: the pandemic, substance abuse, affordable housing and the cost of living. All that is to say that the past few years have been incredibly difficult for our communities. Barriers to obtaining high school education and later to post-secondary studies have grown significantly. However, Yukon communities and Yukon U have adapted and were resilient.

I’d like to share with you several success stories from the past few years, flowing from federal investment in key areas of housing and infrastructure, economic diversification, environmental protection and remediation. You’ll notice that there's a common theme of bringing education to people in their communities, instead of insisting that people travel hundreds of kilometres to access programming.

My first example is Yukon University’s housing maintainer program. The program has been impactful in Yukon communities. During the past two years, the university has worked with three first nation governments to deliver the program to 29 students. Students developed knowledge in the skilled trades and acquired an understanding of modern building science. They were able to use the course hours towards an apprenticeship if they decided to pursue those paths—plus, they increased housing capacity in their home communities.

The Yukon first nations arts certificate program provides an incredible opportunity for emerging entrepreneurs and craftspeople. It was delivered in 13 communities to 84 students between 2019 and 2022, in partnership with Yukon first nation governments. It was funded through the northern adult basic education initiative through CanNor. The classes were delivered on timelines suitable for each community and drew from the expertise of local artists. The program fostered the development of local businesses and was the platform for students to support each other during the trying days of the pandemic.

Land use planning, environmental remediation and environmental monitoring are key priorities stemming from the Yukon land claims and self-government agreements. There are 57 students who have completed or are in the environmental monitoring certificate program, which runs in a compressed model offered several times per year for people employed as monitors in their community or who are training to become a monitor. All graduates are employed.

While some of these numbers may seem small, providing the knowledge and skills for just one individual can make an incredible impact on a community of three hundred or four hundred people. It can mean that water quality is monitored and that repairs to the community gathering space or housing can be done without waiting weeks for someone from afar to come.

There's a tremendous opportunity for the federal government to have a greater and more meaningful impact on small northern communities in the areas we've outlined. What's required is stable, longer-term funding models that enable us to collaborate with Yukon first nations to develop, build, deliver and assess the programs we offer for the greatest success, and to scale up and expand when we achieve it.

I appreciate the opportunity to speak to you all today.

4 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Jenica Atwin

Thank you very much, Ms. Rowles.

We'll now proceed to our first round of questions, beginning with the Conservatives and Mr. Zimmer for six minutes.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Thank you, Madam Chair.

My questions will be for Rebecca Mearns.

It was a pleasure to meet you at the Northern Lights conference just a few months ago. Recently, we were up in Nunavut—in Cambridge Bay. We got to experience the college up there and some of the facilities, as well.

I'm looking at an interesting article. It's called, “10 Things You Might Not Know About NAC's President, Becky Mearns”. It's quite interesting. I challenge the committee members to check it out afterwards.

You were born in Iqaluit, so you're local. That's one of the reasons I really thought it would be valuable to have you here to hear your perspective, not just as an education professional, but also as somebody who actually went through the system there, to see what we could do to increase those graduation rates.

For the sake of the committee, I think there's one more thing I'd like to add to your resumé that's listed here. This summer, you caught her first seal while out boating. That's among many other things you have on your resumé.

Welcome today, Rebecca.

You know that this study is about the increasing grad rates. I heard you speak specifically, at Northern Lights, about post secondary, but I think they're related because, as a former teacher myself, I think that if a student doesn't have an opportunity post graduation, they might not see graduation as that important.

As a person from the north and from Nunavut, what would you say are some of the key things that we need to do to increase those graduation rates amongst our northern communities?

4 p.m.

President, Nunavut Arctic College

Rebecca Mearns

I think there are some great connections between what we do at the college and our K to 12 education system in Nunavut. As I said about the Nunavut teacher education program, the entire goal of that is to get more Inuit and Nunavummiut into the classrooms in Nunavut.

When I was going through high school and when I was going through the system in Nunavut, we'd often have teachers come from outside of the territory. Some would stay for a long time. Some would stay for a year or two. Turnover really impacts how children are building relationships within their classrooms and those connections with their teachers.

Our hope is that we're encouraging Nunavummiut and Inuit to go into our classrooms. We're also creating classrooms where Inuktut language, culture and access to the land is really key as well. We're providing those supports within the classroom to, hopefully, support the success of our K to 12 students.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

We see that often the key to success in those remote communities is really getting that connection to the community.

This is an effort to train teachers from the community, so they'll stay in the community and really connect with the students for a longer period of time, rather than just those two years in and then they're out somewhere else.

What have you seen as a success? Maybe there are some examples. Have you seen where that's been really taken up in the community, where kids really want to become teachers there? What have you seen?

4 p.m.

President, Nunavut Arctic College

Rebecca Mearns

I can given an example of one of our cohorts, which just started this year. As I said, we deliver in communities, so people are able to stay at home and attend the program.

We're delivering the program in Naujaat, which is one of the smaller communities in the central Arctic—in central Nunavut. We have 15 students in that class.

This impacted the elementary school because many of the student-support assistants and some of the teachers who weren't yet certified decided to come to take the Nunavut teacher education program. It's a very good problem to have: They're losing people from the school, but hopefully for a future of creating 15 new teachers who can come back into the school once they've completed their studies.

4 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

Decentralizing isn't always a positive thing, but in this case, it very much is. One thing that we all saw by being in the north is that it's a massive area.

One thing I heard you say at the Northern Lights conference was that the challenge for a student to go get training is that they have to fly thousands of kilometres away and be away from their family and their friends, etc.

The one thing that I think you're doing a great job of.... Maybe explain how many communities the college is operating in and how many communities have access to this program as a result of what you're doing.

4:05 p.m.

President, Nunavut Arctic College

Rebecca Mearns

We operate in all Nunavut communities, so all 25 communities do have learning centres. We deliver an array of programs at each of those community learning centres. Right now, 15 of those are offering the teacher education program. We have programs such as college foundations—which is an introduction into college programs—office administration, and management studies. We just graduated a cohort of Bachelor of Social Work. The degree program is done in partnership with Memorial University of Newfoundland and Labrador.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

That's very cool.

I think that's my time, but.... Oh, I have 40 seconds.

Well, I'll finish with this. We talked about trades training. I think you presented to us there, as well. What opportunities are offered to kids, young students, who want to get their trades training while still remaining at home in Nunavut? What are the opportunities there? What are some of the barriers to doing that, too?

4:05 p.m.

President, Nunavut Arctic College

Rebecca Mearns

Right now, we are working on expanding the accessibility. We do have a trades school that offers five trades—carpenter, electrician, housing maintainer, oil heat systems technician, and plumber—but students do have to travel to Rankin Inlet at this point in time to attend that.

4:05 p.m.

Conservative

Bob Zimmer Conservative Prince George—Peace River—Northern Rockies, BC

That's great—very needed trades in those areas, for sure.