Evidence of meeting #20 for Industry and Technology in the 45th Parliament, 1st session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was read.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

Members speaking

Before the committee

François-Philippe Champagne  Minister of Finance and National Revenue

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

What I can tell you is that at every step of the way, we fought for the workers to have the strongest protections for their jobs and for the investment, making sure that Stellantis would invest. That's what I'm saying. Look at the interaction between these two contracts. That's what you need to do.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Guglielmin Conservative Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Minister, I'll give you another quick one. Give a yes-or-no answer, please. You were committing billions to Stellantis. Were there preclusions for Stellantis to pay executive bonuses in the contract?

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Which billions are you referring to? As I told you, if you go to the public accounts of Canada, what has been disbursed under the special contribution agreement is $40 million, sir.

5:05 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Guglielmin Conservative Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

Minister, you said $9 billion. Regardless of how much has already been disbursed, was there a preclusion in the contract for them not to hand over that money, those public funds, in executive bonuses—yes or no?

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Sir, a number of—

The Chair Liberal Ben Carr

That's the last question.

I'll give you an opportunity to answer it, Minister.

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Sir, I would say that a number of covenants in the agreement protect workers and protect Canada. I would refer you to the public accounts of Canada.

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Conservative

Michael Guglielmin Conservative Vaughan—Woodbridge, ON

But I guess there's nothing to protect—

The Chair Liberal Ben Carr

Mr. Guglielmin, I apologize. We're now 20 seconds over.

Mr. Bains, the floor is yours for five minutes.

Parm Bains Liberal Richmond East—Steveston, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair, and happy Hanukkah to you, sir.

Thank you, Minister, for joining us today and for your very hard work in presenting a generational budget for Canadians.

I'd like to talk a little bit about what British Columbians would like to hear from you. The U.S. Institute for Supply Management reported that last week that U.S. manufacturing contracted for the ninth consecutive month. Factories are facing slumping orders and higher prices for inputs. Despite what our friends from the opposite side here say about Canadian jobs, the President's tariffs are shrinking...the U.S. manufacturing sector has shrunk. While that's happening in the U.S., Canada is being looked at as a reliable partner around the world.

Can you maybe talk a little bit about the measures in budget 2025? Again, British Columbians would like to know what work you've done on cutting red tape and with regard to the superdeduction productivity measure. How is that going to improve our competitiveness in Canadian manufacturing?

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Thank you. That's a great question.

Look at Canada within the G7. We are a big magnet for talent. I think folks in British Columbia know that. We've attracted record levels of talent, and we have provisions in the budget to do this—$1.7 billion. We want to be a magnet for the best and brightest in our shops, on our factory floors and in our research institutes, colleges and universities. Canada is one of the few G7 countries that has very strong industries, from the auto sector to.... We build cars, planes and ships. I'm reminded of the shipyard in British Columbia. We have critical minerals, and many would say that these are akin to oil in the 21st century. We're one of the few countries—this includes British Columbia—that has a number of critical minerals, as well as the tech to refine them. We have an abundance of energy. A lot of people would say that energy is the proxy to growth, in many respects. Again, we're the only G7 country with free trade agreements with all the other G7 nations in the world.

That's why I'm confident. That's why I said that I believe in Canada. When you compare Canada with many other countries in the world, we have a very strong base. Obviously, there are some headwinds, as I mentioned before, but we have the fiscal capacity. We've made generational investments in housing, infrastructure, sovereignty, production and competitiveness. That's exactly what people see in Canada, plus stability, predictability and rule of law. People want to invest in a jurisdiction that provides these. That's why I say that, from a British Columbia perspective, this is a budget that speaks to people. I was at the Greater Vancouver Board of Trade and can say that it spoke to people. People understand that this is something.

You talked about the productivity superdeduction. That's something we've been talking about in this country since I could read. People have been talking and writing about it. We're addressing that. Even the former parliamentary budget officer said that Canada received good marks when it came to its vision of fiscal sustainability and transparency.

That's why this committee has a big role. It's great that you're looking at what we've done with respect to Stellantis. The world needs more of Canada. Certainly, the role of this committee is to ask how we can strengthen our industry, how we can strengthen what we do for workers and how we can position Canada for success in the 21st century. That's why I think the world is looking at us. You've seen the number of funds wanting to invest. You just saw, yesterday, an announcement by Microsoft, which I know has a big presence in British Columbia.

We're going to continue to do the hard work of building the strongest economy in the G7. In this new world, Canada has a lot of fundamentals to succeed in the economy of the 21st century.

Parm Bains Liberal Richmond East—Steveston, BC

Building on the superdeduction and manufacturing, we had the folks from Seaspan in, because, as you know, the marine sector in British Columbia is very important to us. We had them visit us today. They talked about increasing defence production and their capability there.

Can you talk a bit more about manufacturing?

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

This is essential to our nation. If you look at nations that succeeded in the 20th century and even before, they all have strong manufacturing sectors. Look at South Korea, Japan and Germany. There's even a report comparing Canada and Germany on innovation and the strength of manufacturing. It's not by accident that the International Monetary Fund said.... I said, “generational”. It's the largest investment plan in infrastructure, innovation and housing in the G7. Many would refer to the German plan, which is $500 billion over 12 years. If you translate that into Canadian dollars, it would be $800 billion over 12 years. For us, it's $450 billion over five years. You could even say that the Canadian plan is the largest in the G7, and we're not even adjusting for size of the economy, with Germany being the largest economy in Europe.

That's why what we've done is generational. That's why I'm happy to stand with you to fight for our workers, fight for our industry and fight for our country.

The Chair Liberal Ben Carr

Thanks very much, Mr. Bains.

Mr. Ste‑Marie, you have the floor for two and a half minutes.

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette—Manawan, QC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Before I start asking questions, I want to take a few seconds to say hello to everyone, including you, Mr. Chair, but also to my colleagues and their assistants. I'd especially like to offer my heartfelt thanks to the people who make it possible for us to effectively perform our work on this committee. This includes the clerk, the analysts, the entire technical support team and the fabulous interpreters. Since this is the last meeting before the holidays, I want to sincerely thank them all.

Allow me to take this opportunity to wish everyone a happy holiday—merry Christmas or happy Hanukkah.

Thank you, everyone. It's a pleasure to work with all of you.

Now, Minister—

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Mr. Chair, I thought that was the question. I was going to answer by thanking the interpreters.

Some hon. members

Oh, oh!

The Chair Liberal Ben Carr

I hadn't even started the timer.

Mr. Ste‑Marie, you have the floor.

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette—Manawan, QC

My thanks once again to the interpreters.

Our ridings meet in the north, where the Manawan Atikamekw community is located. To the south is the community of Saint-Michel-des-Saints, where a graphite mine project is under development. I really applaud the support that the government's given it.

However, the sawmill in Saint-Michel-des-Saints has been closed since August because of U.S. tariffs. It reopened following the closure of Louisiana-Pacific, and it's the largest employer in the Matawinie RCM.

In early August, the sawmill announced that it was closing. A few weeks later, still in August, the federal government said it was going to propose an assistance program. It's mid-December now, and the sawmill still has no access to this assistance program. Hundreds of workers are unemployed. Nearly as many SME employees and self-employed workers gravitate around this sawmill.

Is there anything you can do to help them?

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

A number of programs are in place. I can't remember who owns that sawmill. Is it Arbec?

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette—Manawan, QC

No, it's Jean-François Champoux.

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

You have my phone number. Give him my phone number and ask him to call me. We'll try to figure out a solution. We've obviously created programs to help companies with their cashflow. I'd be happy to connect with him to see what we can do. Like you, I come from a region where the softwood lumber industry is important. So I'd be pleased to speak with him.

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette—Manawan, QC

Thank you.

He's spoken to your colleagues before, and every time he's been told that he's eligible for the softwood lumber guarantee program. To this day, the matter is still unresolved.

François-Philippe Champagne Liberal Saint-Maurice—Champlain, QC

Mr. Ste‑Marie, you're a good-hearted man. I saw that from your remarks. Give him my phone number and ask him to call me. I'd be happy to help him.

Gabriel Ste-Marie Bloc Joliette—Manawan, QC

Thank you very much.