Yes. We get submissions from various people as part of the committee, and we have submissions from two small Canadian publishers. Broadview Press claim in their submission to us that their annual revenue is $3.5 million and that the drop in Access Copyright revenue for them is $30,000. That's a drop of less than 1%. House of Anansi Press in their submission to us say their annual revenue is $7 million with a loss of about $15,000 to $17,000 in Access Copyright money in the education sector. Again, that's a loss of less than 1%, actually a quarter of 1%.
That seems to be a very different picture for small Canadian publishers in terms of their loss from Access Copyright revenues than we're being told. That's in their very own submissions to us.