Evidence of meeting #2 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was going.
A recording is available from Parliament.
5:05 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy
I think you need to address that motion rather than the ministers, because that motion has already been overruled.
5:05 p.m.
Conservative
Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
You're right. I would actually move an amendment.
Is there an amendment on the floor already?
5:05 p.m.
NDP
Brian Masse NDP Windsor West, ON
I already moved an amendment to eliminate the word “innovation” as a priority. It's not because I don't care about innovation; it's just that I want them to be able to present an overall platform here if I'm going to make use of my time. I will have innovation questions, but I don't want any constraints on them.
5:10 p.m.
Conservative
Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
Mr. Clerk, is there a rule here in regard to an amendment to an amendment? I know it's different in different areas and levels of government.
5:10 p.m.
The Clerk
The committee will need to deal with the amendment to begin with.
5:10 p.m.
Conservative
Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
Okay. Then you're right that I am not speaking to the amendment, so we should deal with the amendment.
5:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy
The amendment is to take “innovation” out of that statement.
Do we need to read it again? The clerk will read it.
5:10 p.m.
The Clerk
The motion is that a representative of the agencies in our portfolio be asked to appear before the committee and provide a briefing on the state of the union (for the departments) and to include where their biggest challenges are with a focus on innovation.
Mr. Masse moved—
5:10 p.m.
Liberal
Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC
I don't think so. It says, “challenges, opportunities, and goals”. Then the last part was “with a focus on innovation”, and that you're proposing to take off.
5:10 p.m.
Conservative
Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
On a point of order, could we actually have this distributed in both official languages?
5:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy
The amendment is to take out “with a focus on innovation”.
(Amendment agreed to [See Minutes of Proceedings])
Mr. Nuttall.
5:10 p.m.
Conservative
Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
I just have one other procedural question, through you, Mr. Chair, to your clerk.
After a motion is amended, are we still allowed to move any other amendments to the earlier amended motion?
5:10 p.m.
Conservative
Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
I don't know the exact wording, but I would move that on top of the agencies we also invite the ministers responsible to come at their earliest convenience.
5:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy
We have a proposed amendment. That amendment is to also invite the ministers at their earliest convenience.
5:10 p.m.
Conservative
5:10 p.m.
Liberal
Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC
Let's just vote on it. I propose we vote on that amendment.
5:10 p.m.
Conservative
Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
I've asked for a recorded vote on the amendment.
5:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy
The amendment is to include the three ministers, at their earliest convenience.
5:10 p.m.
Liberal
Frank Baylis Liberal Pierrefonds—Dollard, QC
I'm going to propose an amendment to that amendment, then. It would be “at their earliest convenience after the committee has done its work to meet with the departments”.
5:10 p.m.
Liberal
The Chair Liberal Dan Ruimy
We've already established that we will do one amendment at a time, so we'll need to deal with the first amendment.
5:10 p.m.
Conservative
Alex Nuttall Conservative Barrie—Springwater—Oro-Medonte, ON
I think we're getting closer, Mr. Baylis, with what you've proposed. We're not there yet, but we're getting close.
Essentially, where I come from, we talk about 360 reviews. Has everyone heard of a 360 review before? A 360 review means that the review needs to happen on the top, on the bottom, and everywhere in between, because you can find a tonne of useful information while you're doing it.
What we're talking about right now is doing a 360 review but not including anybody on the top. It's just as impractical as doing a 360 review and not including the agencies.
This side of the table is asking that we concurrently move on both. Let's have the agencies here. Let's have the ministers here. If the ministers are that packed, which I believe they are, especially Minister Bains, who has a very large portfolio, we don't want to wait until we're done to ask Minister Bains to join us.
We want to schedule this thing so that we can have it all happen and be as fruitful as we need to be. Wasting half an hour here, to me, is worth it to make sure that we don't waste five weeks two months down the road.
5:15 p.m.
Conservative