Evidence of meeting #28 for Industry, Science and Technology in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ircc.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Anthony Durocher  Deputy Commissioner, Competition Promotion Branch, Competition Bureau
Philip Somogyvari  Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Greg Peterson  Assistant Chief Statistician, Economic Statistics, Statistics Canada
James van Raalte  Executive Director, Regulatory Policy and Cooperation Directorate, Regulatory Affairs Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat
Josée Bégin  Director General, Labour Market, Education and Socio-Economic Well-Being, Statistics Canada
Krista McWhinnie  Deputy Commissioner, Monopolistic Pratices Directorate, Competition Bureau
Matthew Graham  Director, Levels Planning and Migration Analysis, Department of Citizenship and Immigration
Sarah Hayward  Acting Senior Director, Immigration Program Guidance, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

1 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Good morning, everyone.

I call this meeting to order.

Welcome to meeting No. 28 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Industry and Technology. Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Friday, April 8, 2022, the committee is meeting to study Small and Medium-Sized Enterprises.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, and some witnesses and members are attending using the Zoom application.

The participants who are here on site, in Ottawa, are familiar with the public health rules that are still in force, and should conduct themselves accordingly.

Without further delay, I will introduce the witnesses it is our honour to have with us today.

From the Competition Bureau, we have Anthony Durocher, Deputy Commissioner, Competition Promotion Branch, and Krista McWhinnie, Deputy Commissioner, Monopolistic Practices Directorate.

From the Department of Citizenship and Immigration, we have Sarah Hayward, Acting Senior Director, Immigration Program Guidance; Philip Somogyvari, Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning; and Matthew Graham, Director, Levels Planning and Migration Analysis.

From Statistics Canada, we have Greg Peterson, Assistant Chief Statistician, Economic Statistic; Josée Bégin, Director General, Labour Market, Education and Socio-Economic Well-Being; and Wulong Gu, Senior Advisor, Analytical Studies and Modelling Branch.

And from Treasury Board Secretariat, we have James van Raalte, Executive Director, Regulatory Policy and Cooperation Directorate, Regulatory Affairs Sector.

I'd like to thank the numerous witnesses who are participating in this process today. We appreciate their assistance as we conclude this study of competitiveness. Thank you for taking the time to come and speak to the committee.

Without further delay, I give the floor to Mr. Durocher for five minutes.

1 p.m.

Anthony Durocher Deputy Commissioner, Competition Promotion Branch, Competition Bureau

Thank you.

Mr. Chair and members of the Committee, thank you for the invitation to appear before you today.

My name is Anthony Durocher and I am Deputy Commissioner of the Competition Promotion Branch at the Competition Bureau. I am joined by my colleague Krista McWhinnie, Deputy Commissioner of the Monopolistic Practices Directorate.

We are here today to support your study on small and medium-sized enterprises, or SMEs. The Bureau's long-held position is that SMEs are the bedrock of a dynamic and resilient economy. While many SMEs were hit hard by the pandemic, they remain an important engine of inclusive economic growth. They challenge established incumbents, and disrupt entire industries.

The Competition Bureau enforces the Competition Act, which recognizes the vital role of SMEs at the outset in its purpose clause. It states that “maintaining and encouraging competition” is central to ensuring that “small and medium-sized enterprises have an equitable opportunity to participate in the Canadian economy.”

We work hard to support SMEs. For example, we stop any anti-competitive business practices that seek to limit SMEs from challenging bigger players. We require businesses to tell the truth about their products and services, so that consumers aren't misled away from using the products and services of SMEs. We prevent any competitive mergers and punish price-fixing and other forms of collusion to ensure that SMEs can access inputs at competitive prices. We advocate for government rules that ensure a level playing field for SMEs.

To achieve these goals, we need the right tools to address competition issues in a timely and effective manner. The Competition Act amendments set out in the budget implementation act are an important step, but those changes are just the beginning. We are very pleased that the government has committed to consult broadly on the role and functioning of the Competition Act and its enforcement regime. In February of this year, we made a public submission to Senator Wetston's consultation on modernizing the Competition Act. The ideas put forward are based on our experience in administering and enforcing the law across all sectors of the economy.

The bureau remains focused and motivated in its role as Canada's competition authority and looks forward to an ongoing, vigorous and inclusive debate on how best to achieve these goals.

We look forward to your questions.

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you.

I now give the floor to Ms. Hayward from the Department of Citizenship and Immigration.

1:05 p.m.

Philip Somogyvari Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Chair, if it's okay with you, may I deliver the opening remarks for IRCC?

1:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

It is absolutely okay. The floor is yours.

1:05 p.m.

Director General, Strategic Policy and Planning, Department of Citizenship and Immigration

Philip Somogyvari

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you for having me, committee members. I'd like to begin by acknowledging that I'm joining you from the traditional unceded territory of the Algonquin Anishinabe people.

I'm pleased to provide an overview of the immigration system and its role in addressing labour and skills shortages. As we know, Canada is currently facing labour shortages across the country. Each sector is feeling the impact. As noted by my ESDC counterparts in their appearance before this committee, most of the solutions to meeting these challenges are made in Canada and include school leavers, training and skills development of the labour force, and addressing barriers to under-represented groups.

Immigration, though, is one tool that helps provide additional labour and complements efforts to build domestic capacity. It's an increasingly important contributor to Canada's prosperity and economic growth. IRCC manages a number of temporary and permanent economic immigration programs that support the development of a strong Canadian economy and ensure that the benefits of immigration are shared across all regions.

On the permanent side, the immigration system has multiple pathways to welcome economic immigrants, who bring skills to our economy and help fill gaps in our labour force. They are typically educated, fill targeted labour and skills shortages, contribute to innovation and workforce diversity, and are able to integrate into the Canadian labour market with ease.

Our high-skilled programs, managed through an application management system known as express entry, help Canada stay competitive and attract talent from around the world. IRCC has also implemented several pilots and programs to support rural and remote regions across a range of skill levels. Immigration is a shared responsibility among the federal and provincial and territorial governments, and almost all jurisdictions operate provincial nominee programs that cater to their specific labour force needs.

Regional immigration programs and pilots, such as the rural and northern immigration pilot and the Atlantic immigration program, allow jurisdictions to respond to their unique conditions, prioritizing the attraction and retention of skilled workers in the sectors and occupations with identified needs. The government also announced plans to attract record numbers of immigrants to help Canada grow. In 2021 Canada welcomed a record number of permanent residents, at 405,000, and Canada aims to continue welcoming immigrants at a rate of just over 1% of Canada's population. This means targets of just under 432,000 in 2022 and just over 447,000 in 2023.

On the temporary side, foreign workers and international students play a significant role in Canada's economy. They address immediate workforce needs of diverse employers, provide a wide range of skill levels and educational attainment, and facilitate business growth, innovation and productivity. Canada's temporary worker programs are demand-driven, flexible and responsive to the changing labour market landscape. There are no caps on the number of foreign workers who can be authorized to work temporarily. Employers can use temporary worker programs to tap into global pools of labour and talent to fill vacancies in any occupation.

The number of students and temporary residents who are authorized to work, including a portion of ESDC's TFW program, has been growing year over year, reaching around 1.5 million temporary residents in Canada in each of the last three years. Their contributions have been even more apparent during the COVID-19 pandemic and during Canada's economic recovery, as they help employers in essential industries fill jobs when no Canadian citizens or permanent residents are available. In recognition of their importance to Canada's recovery and to respond to border restrictions, in 2021 a time-limited temporary resident to permanent resident pathway was introduced to help us retain the talent of over 90,000 essential workers and international graduates. Many of these new residents work for small and medium-sized enterprises and continue to support them.

Some jobs are temporary in nature, and it's not the desire of every student or migrant worker to remain permanently. Our system also is limited in the number of individuals who can become permanent residents in a year. In the case of permanent immigration, individuals are selected based on factors that will contribute to their economic success. Whatever the labour market looks like in the future, and however it evolves or gets disrupted, our economically selected migrants need to be able to weather downturns and have transferable skills and attributes.

To ensure that the immigration system continues to adapt to an evolving economy, the government announced a number of new measures to further contribute to meeting labour market needs and support SMEs. Through the budget, the immigration minister will have the authority to better select candidates who meet a range of economic and labour force needs. Additional measures to address Canada's labour shortages have also been recently announced. These include faster processing of permanent resident applications and more flexibility around work permits for students and visitors.

Thank you for the opportunity to speak. My colleagues and I would be happy to take questions.

1:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you.

I now give the floor to Mr. Peterson from Statistics Canada.

1:10 p.m.

Greg Peterson Assistant Chief Statistician, Economic Statistics, Statistics Canada

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Good afternoon, members. It's a pleasure to be here today. My name is Greg Peterson. I'm the assistant chief statistician responsible for Statistics Canada's economic statistics program. I'm joined today by Josée Bégin, the director general responsible for labour market education and socio-economic statistics. Also joining me is Wulong Gu, a senior adviser in our analytical studies and modelling branch.

SMEs are a vital part of the Canadian economy. In 2021 small businesses were employing over 10.3 million people, two-thirds of the overall labour force. Medium-sized businesses were employing another 3.4 million people.

The number of businesses that express labour shortages to be an obstacle has almost doubled in the last 15 months to 37%.

Most indicators are pointing to an increasingly tight labour market in Canada, with the demand for workers accelerating to record levels during the second half of 2021. Job vacancies in the fourth quarter rose 80% compared with pre-pandemic levels, reflecting broad-based increases across provinces and industrial sectors.

Last month, the unemployment rate fell to a near historic low of 5.1% while the participation rate was near a record high among core-aged workers.

To help attract and retain staff, businesses are also adjusting their wage plans. In the three years leading up to April 2022, wages among new hires rose by 15.4%, compared with 12.1% for established employees. In the first quarter of 2022, over two-fifths (45%) of businesses reported that they planned to raise wages for existing employees over the coming year. It is important to note that while wages have been on an upward trend since the fall of 2021, their growth has remained below the inflation rate.

Resiliency of supply chains is an issue.

In the second quarter of 2022, more businesses experienced an increased difficulty in sourcing inputs domestically, compared to the number of businesses experiencing difficulty in acquiring inputs from abroad. Over 40% of businesses expected this difficulty in acquiring inputs, products or supplies from within Canada to persist for 12 months or more, and 39.3% of businesses expected the same difficulty in acquiring inputs, products or supplies from abroad.

In general, we're finding that businesses are responding to these difficulties in supply chains by carrying more inventory.

I'd like to turn for a second to inflation. While much attention is focused on the consumer price index, Statistics Canada follows prices all along the supply chain. In general, these prices are increasing at every stage.

The raw materials price index measures the prices for raw materials purchased by Canadian manufacturers. In March 2022, this index was 64.4% higher than in January 2020, prior to the pandemic. The industrial product price index measures the prices at the factory gate of products sold by manufacturers operating in Canada. Again, in March 2022, the IPPI was nearly 30% higher than in January 2020.

The wholesale services price index measures the margin price that Canadian wholesalers receive for their products. In December 2021, the last data point we have available, the index was 12.1% higher than in January 2020. The retail services price index measures the margin price that Canadian retailers receive for their products. The retail services price index didn't increase too much during the pandemic but had moderate increases throughout 2020. Between 2019 and 2020, the retail service price index increased by 1.9% and further increased by 4.8% between 2020 and 2021.

In all, businesses are facing increased input costs. From Q1 2021 to Q1 2022, there has been a steady increase across almost all industries such that the rising costs of inputs are being identified as an obstacle to business, and over one-third of businesses reported they plan on passing on increased costs of inputs to their consumers. This challenge is accentuated by SMEs, where 75% cite rising costs of inputs as an obstacle, while 30% cite it as a major obstacle.

Statistics Canada has been closely following how SMEs have fared during the pandemic, as they're important drivers of the Canadian economy. In addition to our standard suite of products, we partnered with the Canadian Chamber of Commerce early in the pandemic to launch a forward-facing survey of business conditions. More recently, we've started working with them on a business data lab in order to better support public and private sectors in making decisions in this area.

Mr. Chair, this is a brief summary of the constraints facing Canadian businesses that we're measuring. I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have.

1:15 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you very much, Mr. Peterson.

We'll now move finally to the Treasury Board and Mr. van Raalte.

1:15 p.m.

James van Raalte Executive Director, Regulatory Policy and Cooperation Directorate, Regulatory Affairs Sector, Treasury Board Secretariat

Thank you, Mr. Chair and members, for inviting me to join you today.

My remarks will focus on how Canada's federal regulatory policy and modernization agenda responds to the needs and concerns of Canadian small and medium-sized enterprises. I'd also like to share some of the key policy challenges we are seeing in this space.

The Government of Canada policy that sets out how regulatory departments and agencies must develop, manage and review federal regulations is called the “Cabinet Directive on Regulation”. The directive asks regulators to:

...consider the impact of proposed regulations...on small businesses to ensure that [they] do not unnecessarily bear a disproportionate burden when complying with regulations.

To determine whether there are impacts on small businesses, regulators must apply what we refer to as the small business lens. If there are impacts, they must explain how they were factored into the regulatory design, as well as any flexibility that responds to small businesses' needs within the regulation. Flexibility can come in the form of delaying implementation, offering exemptions, reducing reporting frequency, etc. We find that about 20% of the time, there are impacts on small businesses when departments come forward with new regulatory proposals.

There is also a rule within the federal regulatory system that controls the administrative burden on businesses, known as the one-for-one rule. Established in policy in 2012 and under the Red Tape Reduction Act in 2015, this rule requires that, for every new dollar of administrative burden imposed on businesses, a dollar must be removed. It also requires that for every new regulation that imposes a new administrative burden on businesses, a regulation must be repealed from the books. As of March 31, 2021, $60.5 million in net annualized reductions have been observed under the rule. There's also been a net reduction of 185 regulations.

Part of our role at TBS is to ensure that regulators are complying with these rules and to report annually on the application of the one-for-one rule. In addition, TBS leads the government's regulatory modernization effort to facilitate competitiveness, agility and innovation within the Canadian regulatory system and address inefficiency, while ensuring important protections for Canadians and the environment.

We have regulatory co-operation fora with the United States, the European Union and provinces and territories in order to reduce the regulatory differences across jurisdictions and remove barriers to trade. We lead thematic regulatory reviews to identify rules and practices that are creating bottlenecks to growth and innovation, and develop plans to address them. We host a centre for regulatory innovation that focuses on building capacity for regulators to design flexible regulations that enable new and innovative products to come to market. We have a regular TBS-sponsored legislative initiative that removes requirements that stand in the way of modernizing regulations.

In support of this agenda, a committee of stakeholders external to government advises the Treasury Board on ways to improve regulatory competitiveness in Canada and promote excellence, growth and innovation. The committee most recently recommended that the government take a practical approach to help regulators assess the impact of regulations on competitiveness. We commissioned the OECD to learn about what other countries are doing to understand these impacts. The OECD report was clear. Each country has its own approach, and there is no standardized way to measure regulatory competitiveness.

Following on this, we've taken our external advisory committee's approach and are consulting with stakeholders on a draft tool designed to be a practical self-assessment checklist to help unearth potential competitiveness impacts that are top of mind to Canadian businesses as regulatory proposals come forward.

The recommendations made by the external committee are consistent with what we have learned from the COVID-19 pandemic and by monitoring how our regulatory policy compares to other top countries, exposing key opportunities and challenges.

First, while we rank third in the OECD, stakeholder engagement isn't working for everyone. Modernization requires more frequent and meaningful consultation with stakeholders. However, we are hearing that many stakeholders are experiencing consultation fatigue and lack the capacity, knowledge and resources necessary to contribute effectively. This challenge also contributes to a lack of diverse representation.

Second, businesses are concerned with the impact of the cumulative regulatory burden on competitiveness. This issue is significant, yet complex. It implicates the federal government, provinces, municipalities and international regulations. There are no recognized ways to objectively measure cumulative burden or to compare it across jurisdictions. There's a real need for better regulatory data to help search for, identify and address this cumulative burden efficiently.

Third, regulators could make better use of digital solutions and embrace user-centred approaches to improve service delivery. Simply put, being responsive to Canadians demands new ways of working with a focus on digitalization.

Fourth, while the one-for-one rule controls the creation of new burdens, the burden that lies in existing regulations is not getting enough attention. Canada ranks sixth place in the OECD's regulatory policy ranking on post-implementation review, a fact that reinforces the need to improve the way we examine the existing regulatory stock to ensure it is relevant and performing as intended.

Finally, while there is greater demand for agility in regulation, for example, by incorporating standards by reference, stakeholders also require predictable regulatory regimes in which to operate, and there is a tension in finding the right balance between these opposing objectives, agility and predictability.

As we look to address these challenges, I welcome the insights this committee can offer about ways the regulatory system can be more responsive to small and medium-sized enterprises, and support regulatory efficiency and competitiveness more broadly while maintaining Canada's high standards for health, safety, security and environmental stewardship.

I would be pleased to expand upon these points I've raised and to answer your questions, Mr. Chair.

1:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Joël Lightbound

Thank you.

We will now begin the first round of questions.

Ms. Gray, the floor is yours for six minutes.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

Thank you to all of the witnesses for being here today.

I'll go first to Statistics Canada.

When it comes to the labour and job numbers—and you did cite some here today in your opening remarks, which are reported by Stats Canada—are these total jobs, or are they broken down between full time and part time?

1:20 p.m.

Assistant Chief Statistician, Economic Statistics, Statistics Canada

Greg Peterson

Thank you for the question.

We do collect data on both full-time and part-time jobs.

Maybe I will turn to Josée Bégin.

June 17th, 2022 / 1:20 p.m.

Josée Bégin Director General, Labour Market, Education and Socio-Economic Well-Being, Statistics Canada

Thank you for the question.

Yes, we do collect information, and we also release information broken down by various elements such as part time and full time, occupations and industries.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Thank you very much.

Does that also include analysis of the wages of these jobs, specifically the ones that have been gained back?

1:20 p.m.

Director General, Labour Market, Education and Socio-Economic Well-Being, Statistics Canada

Josée Bégin

In terms of wages, we have several sources of information from which we produce information. Then again, we can break that down by type of employment, whether it's in the private or public sector or self-employed. We can also do the same thing but from the business angle, so looking at small, medium and large businesses.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Thank you very much.

Could you table for this committee the average wages of these jobs you were mentioning, by sector, both prepandemic and currently? Thank you.

Next, we know inflation is really affecting people's homes and businesses. I heard that the calculation for food inflation by Stats Canada has been changed. Can you confirm that this is true?

1:20 p.m.

Assistant Chief Statistician, Economic Statistics, Statistics Canada

Greg Peterson

No, we haven't changed the way in which we calculate food inflation.

1:20 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Is this something you are looking at? There are reports that this is something that Stats Canada is looking at.

1:25 p.m.

Assistant Chief Statistician, Economic Statistics, Statistics Canada

Greg Peterson

With respect to the measurement of the CPI, we continually review our methodology. We look at best practices from other countries. Doing that is standard practice for us. We always make sure we're up to date in our methodology.

1:25 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

When was the last time the CPI model was amended or changed?

1:25 p.m.

Assistant Chief Statistician, Economic Statistics, Statistics Canada

Greg Peterson

The way in which we calculate the CPI itself hasn't changed. Are you asking about the basket weights we use to calculate the CPI?

1:25 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

My question is when was the last time the calculation was changed for CPI? Has it been changed recently, over the last few years, or is it something that's done once every 20 years? When would the last time have been? Is it something that's amended every year? If it's something that has changed, in particular, over the last couple of years, is that something you would be able to table for this committee?

1:25 p.m.

Assistant Chief Statistician, Economic Statistics, Statistics Canada

Greg Peterson

Sure. The method we use to calculate the CPI hasn't changed significantly in as long as I can remember. What we do periodically update are the weights of the various commodities that we use to compile the CPI.

For a long time we did this every five years. A few years back we changed to doing this every two years. As soon as the pandemic hit, we changed to updating the basket every year. We really started our last basket update just earlier this week. It will be applied to the CPI release we have coming out next week.

1:25 p.m.

Conservative

Tracy Gray Conservative Kelowna—Lake Country, BC

Okay, so you are you changing the calculations, then. What I'm hearing you say is that it's not necessarily the items themselves but the weight that's given to the items. Is that what you just said, just so we're clear?