Industry Committee on Nov. 7th, 2023

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

No, we voted on the 106(4), so we're no longer on the 106(4).

[The Chair, Liberal, Joël Lightbound]

We're still on the 106(4). The 106(4) calls for a meeting to discuss a potential study. It's not.... Once we've adopted the motion, we're still in that 106(4) meeting that you asked for.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

We also asked to include, which we agreed to, discussion of the committee agenda. We're still not—

[The Chair, Liberal, Joël Lightbound]

That is why notice was sent by the clerk for the subcommittee to meet and discuss the agenda and the committee business, which we're supposed to do right now.

[Ryan Turnbull, Liberal, Whitby, ON]

That's why I was adjourning.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

You lost the adjournment vote, because I know you don't want to discuss things in public.

[The Chair, Liberal, Joël Lightbound]

Right now, we're under Standing Order 106(4), so I can't accept motions of committee business that do not pertain to 106(4).

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

The committee's refusing to accept the motion to do a study, as I outlined, on the carbon tax and its impact on our economy.

[The Chair, Liberal, Joël Lightbound]

It's not that, Mr. Perkins. Notice needs to be sent for a motion like this. It can be brought forth, as you know, in a regular committee meeting. This is a 106(4) meeting, and notice has not been given of the motion. That's all.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

I understand that, but we're still in open—

[The Chair, Liberal, Joël Lightbound]

You're an experienced parliamentarian who knows very well—

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

We have finished the 106(4), so we are still in open committee.

[The Chair, Liberal, Joël Lightbound]

The meeting is the 106(4), Mr. Perkins.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

No, the meeting is our general Tuesday meeting. I agreed to allow the five days to deal with it to extend to six days last week, out of courtesy to the chair and to the committee members, since the witnesses for the day on C-27 declined to appear. I could have forced this meeting to happen yesterday, as per the rules of the House of Commons.

In an effort of collegiality, I said, “No, I'll move it to today in order to work with the fellow Liberals.” Apparently the Liberals want to shut down any discussion about the harm that their carbon tax is having on the Canadian economy. They will go to any end to shut committees down.

[The Chair, Liberal, Joël Lightbound]

Mr. Perkins, as chair, I just think this is a very procedural point.

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

This is a normally scheduled meeting.

[Viviane LaPointe, Liberal, Sudbury, ON]

I have a point of order, Mr. Chair. I'm seeking clarification through you.

Is MP Perkins challenging the chair?

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

Sure. I will challenge the chair's decision on this.

[The Chair, Liberal, Joël Lightbound]

At this point, Mr. Perkins, we're not in committee business. We're on the 106(4) that you asked for.

After consulting with the clerk, I was informed that this is not a receivable motion. There has been no notice given.

Now, I'll recognize—

[Rick Perkins, Conservative, South Shore—St. Margarets, NS]

I'm challenging the chair's ruling on that decision.

[The Chair, Liberal, Joël Lightbound]

Then I will call for a vote.

(Ruling of the chair sustained: yeas 7; nays 4)

We're still under Standing Order 106(4), even though the motion has been adopted to conduct this study.

As per the notice that I've sent and for which I've received absolutely no objection to by any member here, we were supposed to have one hour. Mr. Perkins told me that the 106(4) would take one hour. Then the rest would be committee business. I sent notice for the subcommittee to meet to discuss the rest of C-27 and how we would go forward with C-27.

Are we in agreement to adjourn the meeting and go to the subcommittee?

[Some hon. members]

Agreed.

[The Chair, Liberal, Joël Lightbound]

Perfect. The meeting is adjourned.