Evidence of meeting #7 for International Trade in the 41st Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was europe.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Joyce Carter  Chair, Halifax Gateway Council
Nancy Phillips  Executive Director, Halifax Gateway Council
James Hutt  Coordinator, Nova Scotia Citizens Health Care Network
Marc Surette  Executive Director, Nova Scotia Fish Packers Association
Michael Delaney  Support Staff, Director, Grain Growers of Canada, Atlantic Grains Council
Neil Campbell  Representative, General Manager, Prince Edward Island Grain Elevators Corporation, Atlantic Grains Council
Stephen Ross  General Manager, Cherubini Group of Companies

2:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

I would like to call the meeting to order.

I want to thank our witnesses for coming forward in this beautiful city of Halifax. It's a gorgeous day today. The sun is shining and you are the gateway to prosperity in Atlantic Canada. The committee is certainly pleased to have our hearings here and to have you participate in them.

We are studying CETA, the Canada-European Union comprehensive economic and trade agreement. I want to thank you for coming forward and lending your voice to the hearings we are holding. We have held a number of them in Ottawa. We've had four hearings in Ottawa. We will be having more next week in Ottawa, and we are potentially looking at travelling to other areas in Canada.

We want to yield you the floor. We have with us from Halifax Gateway Council, Joyce Carter and Nancy Phillips. We are pleased to have you here. I believe you have a joint presentation and the floor is yours.

2:05 p.m.

Joyce Carter Chair, Halifax Gateway Council

Thank you very much.

My name is Joyce Carter and I am chair of the Halifax Gateway Council. As well, I am chief financial officer and chief strategy officer with Halifax International Airport Authority.

With me today is my colleague Nancy Phillips. She'll probably introduce herself more appropriately, but she is executive director with the Halifax Gateway Council.

Thank you so much for the opportunity to appear before you today.

You may be wondering what the Halifax Gateway Council is, so I will give you a little bit of background on who we are, what we do, and why we're here.

The Halifax Gateway Council was created in 2004. It comprises private sector stakeholders and government. We work very collaboratively in the market and we market the Halifax gateway with the objective of improving competitiveness in the region.

The vision of the Halifax gateway is to be the preferred eastern gateway for North America for the economic and social benefit of all of Canada. Our members are from all four modes of transportation, rail, road, air, and sea. We currently have members from three of the four provinces in Atlantic Canada. The current members include the Halifax Port Authority, the Halifax Stanfield International Airport, CN Rail, Oceanex, Armour Transportation Systems, and others.

Also included in the Halifax Gateway Council are all three levels of government, so there is municipal, provincial, and federal representation.

The total direct and indirect economic impact of the gateway to the province of Nova Scotia is $3.7 billion annually. We employ over 23,000 full-time employees, and on an annual basis we contribute $1 billion in salaries and wages.

The Halifax Gateway Council supports Canada's national trade policy, and that's why we're here today. Trade and transportation are very closely linked, and international trade involves the cross-border movement of both goods and services, which is very important to our members.

As you know well, transportation makes trade possible and is in itself a major component of trade and services. Trade liberalization and the reduction or elimination of barriers to trade are priorities for Canada and its major trading partners and are also priorities for the Halifax Gateway Council.

You may ask why the work of the Halifax Gateway Council is so important to our community. We speak with one voice. We set priorities together as a community. Having our council makes it very easy for government to interact with us and to interact with each other, and for companies that are looking to do business in our region, we're really one-stop shopping.

You may ask why I volunteer my time—because it is a volunteer position—and why the Halifax Stanfield International Airport volunteers its contributions to the Halifax Gateway Council. We see the investment of time and dollars as being of commercial value to us. It's a way for us to increase business in the region, and it means we get a return on the significant infrastructure investment we have at the airport.

You wouldn't be aware, but your visit here in Halifax is quite timely. The Halifax Gateway Council recently completed a trade mission to Europe. The collective group of Gateway Council members visited Brussels, Amsterdam, Antwerp, and Dusseldorf just a few weeks ago. We highlighted to the audiences in those cities the early benefits of CETA and as well of the $115 billion megaproject activity that's happening in Atlantic Canada.

It's very important to us, and we realize that the next two to three years, as the agreement is being finalized, will allow time to put a collective action plan together to market the benefits together for the benefit of Canada's trade policy. We heard that loud and clear when we were in Europe.

The Halifax Gateway Council members have invested significantly in our infrastructure over the past several years, and in many cases we currently have the capacity to deal with increased trade from both the megaprojects and CETA.

However, again as we heard when we were in Europe, it is imperative that the Government of Canada create some sort of marketing fund such that organizations like the Halifax Gateway Council can support collective messaging on CETA in Europe. We're really a non-profit organization, so it's very difficult for us other than through the support of our own pockets to market this message, which we were able to do just recently.

I would now like to ask Nancy Phillips, who is the executive director as I mentioned earlier, to speak a little bit more about some of the priorities of the gateway.

2:10 p.m.

Nancy Phillips Executive Director, Halifax Gateway Council

Thank you, Joyce.

Thank you to the committee for allowing us to be here today.

I'm Nancy Phillips and I'm the executive director of the Halifax Gateway Council.

From a strategic perspective, the Halifax Gateway Council is in its last year of its second five-year strategy, so we've been in existence for 10 years. We'll be doing a new strategy this year. Our strategy is owned and managed by the board of directors.

What I want to do is share with you our identified key priorities that as a gateway we have identified as being key to growing our selective transportation sector and the alignment we see with the early identified impacts of CETA.

Our first priority that we have identified as a community is the growth and development of the Halifax Logistics Park. I understand you are going to be doing a port tour on Wednesday morning, so you're going to see first-hand the Logistics Park and what it means to our stakeholders.

The growth of the Halifax Logistics Park is important because it's a value-added asset and it provides another reason for cargo owners and shippers to move their goods through the Halifax gateway. It is attractive to companies in the field of temperature-controlled warehousing, so important to the seafood, blueberries, and all the other export cargo that we have from this region, and to the general transloading and distribution of goods and services in the retail sector.

The gateway is strategically located next to 100-series highways and within easy access and commute of the central business district. It's 15 minutes to the Ceres container terminal, 15 minutes to Halterm, 15 minutes to the CN Halifax intermodal terminal, and 15 minutes to the Irving Shipbuilding $25 billion national shipbuilding procurement project. It's also just about 20 minutes from the Halifax Stanfield International Airport.

This is a critical piece of infrastructure which, with support, can increase trading opportunities from CETA. We would expect demand for this asset to increase as a result of Canada's trade agreement.

Priority number two for the Halifax Gateway Council is our air route development program. Increased airlift to Europe is critical to Nova Scotia's exporters and for the new import opportunities that will arise as a result of the trade agreement. We are Canada's closest gateway to Europe and as demand for products increases as the result of the elimination of tariffs, new airlifts from this region will become even more critical. Currently, a wealth of high-value, high-yield export cargo is being trucked to the U.S. for airlift from this community. We need to maximize opportunities through our gateway for the benefit of Canada and our local export community.

Better air access will also support the need for labour as we develop and work on the $115 billion in megaprojects that are currently under way in Atlantic Canada.

This brings me to our third and final priority. That is to maximize the $115 billion in megaprojects in Atlantic Canada. I've given to Paul a copy of our map, which he'll distribute when you're back in Ottawa. It outlines all the megaprojects that are under way and early identified opportunities for shipping.

Halifax is the natural receptacle and transshipment point for many of the projects in Atlantic Canada, including energy, mining, and shipbuilding.

In closing, I would like to say that Europe is our second largest trading partner. Opening up a market of over 500 million consumers will have a major impact on Atlantic Canada, Halifax, and the Halifax gateway. Lower tariffs on goods for agrifood, seafood, forestry, and reduced non-tariff barriers on services will benefit this region. In the next two to three years, we need to position ourselves to capitalize on these opportunities.

Thank you.

2:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Thank you very much.

We'll get these maps translated and get them to the rest of the committee. They are very impressive, $115 billion. I don't think many Canadians would realize that.

2:15 p.m.

Executive Director, Halifax Gateway Council

Nancy Phillips

No, and that's what we need to communicate. I'm sorry they're in English only.

2:15 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

It's very impressive.

I'm sure your testimony has spurred lots of questions, but before we get into that, we're going to hear from the Nova Scotia Citizens Health Care Network. James Hutt is the coordinator. He is with us, and the floor is his.

November 25th, 2013 / 2:15 p.m.

James Hutt Coordinator, Nova Scotia Citizens Health Care Network

Thank you for inviting me here to speak today. It's an honour to be talking about this with you all. As mentioned, my name is James Hutt, and I'm the provincial coordinator of the Nova Scotia Citizens Health Care Network.

We are a coalition of health care committees: doctors, nurses, labour unions, and concerned citizens all across the province of Nova Scotia. We work with a broad population here in the province, but also with our partners across the country, be it other provincial bodies, and the Canadian Health Coalition.

We were founded over 20 years ago. Our priorities are to protect, strengthen, and extend medicare. That means to strengthen our public health care system to work better, to protect it from privatization, and to expand what is covered under medicare. That has been our mandate, and we've been very successful at that. We're acting as the voice for Nova Scotians to meet their government and to express concerns and hopes for the health care system.

As the health network, we are non-partisan, but we are political.

If you look at my speaking notes you'll notice they are a bit brief and in bullet point, so I will be speaking a little off the cuff. I'll ask you to bear with me on that.

We have three concerns with CETA. One, it will commit Canada to creating a system of patent term restoration for pharmaceuticals that would delay the entry of generic drugs by up to two years. Two, locking in Canada's current term of data protection will make it difficult or impossible for future governments to reverse. Three, it will implement a new right of appeal under a patent linkage system that will create further delays to the entry of generic drugs.

Taken together, these three concerns spell increased drug costs to Canadians of between $850 million to $1.645 billion.

To put that in context, Canada already has the second highest drug costs in the world, trailing only the United States. We currently spend over $900 per capita. We also have one of the fastest rising drug costs in the OECD countries.

More locally, Nova Scotia spends the second highest on drugs per capita of all the provinces in Canada, and we consume the highest number of drugs per capita in the country. We have an aging population with a quarter of the population projected to be over 65 in a decade. With above average rates of heart disease and cancer, this has disastrous implications for Nova Scotia.

It is no secret that the comprehensive economic and trade agreement has spelled out greater drug costs for Canada, and while the government is committed to compensating provinces for the increased drug costs, that is only for public drug plans. What this means is that taxpayers end up paying more at the federal level to offset these costs. Those people who pay out of pocket for drugs, or through private insurance, will not see any relief. They'll see drug prices increasing, either out of their own pockets or from private insurers, as well as increased federal taxes to pay for the same drugs.

In terms of the first concern about creating a system of patent term restoration that will delay the entry of generic drugs, patents for pharmaceuticals currently run for 20 years from the time a patent application is filed. CETA will add up to two years to that patent, supposedly to account for the time between filing a patent and when the drug is marketed, even if the company or a patent filer is responsible for that delay.

On the second concern, about locking in the current terms of data protection, in 2006 Canada extended data protection to eight years of market exclusivity for brand name pharmaceuticals with an extra six months if companies have studied drugs in a pediatric population. CETA will not extend this data protection, but will lock it into place, making it impossible for future governments to shorten this period.

Furthermore, it is unclear if CETA will expand the range of products that receive this data protection. Right now it is only for new chemical entities, that is, drugs that have not previously been sold in Canada. With the uncertainty surrounding CETA this could encourage companies to tinker around the edges, engaging in minor molecular manipulation that offers no therapeutic advances in drugs, simply to gain increased data protection.

In terms of the financial implication, the estimations before the CETA negotiation is completed suggest that the agreement would delay the entry of generic drugs by 3.46 years, on average. The annual loss for every additional year of entry was estimated at $811 million, and the increase in annual cost to payers to be $2.8 billion per year. However, all this assumes that CETA's provisions apply to drugs currently on the market, which means they are conservative estimates given that the patent term restoration will apply to drugs approved only after CETA is ratified.

An important point to consider is that the comprehensive economic and trade agreement caters to brand name pharmaceutical companies that have so far been unwilling to fully invest in the health of Canadians. Canadian brand name manufacturers have shown a complete unwillingness to uphold their end of the bargain.

When Canada introduced generous pricing and broad protections in 1987, companies pledged to invest 10% of their sales revenue in research and development. That was in 1987, and that has not happened. In 2012 the ratio of research development to sales fell to 6.6%. It has never met the net 10%, and it has been declining. Instead of penalizing these companies, the comprehensive economic and trade agreement will only worsen this by increasing market exclusivity, and thus drug costs, without increasing research and development expenditure.

In conclusion, the comprehensive economic and trade agreement is designed to cater to large European multinational pharmaceutical companies. Their benefit comes at a greater cost to Canadians. Canada has chosen to extend market exclusivity for brand name drugs without requiring any commitment from drug companies to increase the already failing sales to research and development ratio.

At no point does this agreement benefit Canadians, neither in drug prices nor in research expenditure. All CETA will do is make it harder for Canadians to get the drugs they need. Already one in four Canadians have no drug coverage, with 8% of Canadians admitting they haven't filled prescriptions in the past year simply because they can't afford it. Making it even more unaffordable spells disaster both for the health of our population and for the increasing costs to our health care system in Canada.

Given the lack of a new health accord, the agreement about how the federal government funds provinces' health care systems, it is estimated that the health care system in Canada will lose about $36 billion in funding over the next decade. Given these failing costs, given this declining funding, and given the fact that the second highest escalating cost in health care is pharmaceuticals, the effects of this will be disastrous both for our health care system and for Canadians.

Furthermore, the whole process of looking at the comprehensive economic and trade agreement is tarnished by a lack of transparency. NGOs haven't been able to provide a full analysis of the implications and costs of CETA because we haven't been able to see the text. This means we can't properly articulate our concerns or the damage this will do to our health care system or to the health of Nova Scotians and Canadians.

Thank you very much.

2:20 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Rob Merrifield

Thank you very much.

We will now move to questions and answers.

We will start with Mr. Davies. The floor is yours. You have seven minutes.

2:20 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Ms. Carter, Ms. Phillips, and Mr. Hutt, thank you very much for being with us today and for taking time out of your busy lives.

Mr. Hutt, I'll start with you. Was your organization ever consulted by the federal government during the CETA negotiations?

2:25 p.m.

Coordinator, Nova Scotia Citizens Health Care Network

2:25 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

You have already pointed out that you have, of course, not seen the text as it relates to your organization's interests. Is that right?

2:25 p.m.

Coordinator, Nova Scotia Citizens Health Care Network

James Hutt

No, neither we nor the national provincial body with which we work has.

2:25 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Ms. Carter or Ms. Phillips, was your organization ever consulted by the federal government during the CETA negotiations?

2:25 p.m.

Chair, Halifax Gateway Council

Joyce Carter

I can speak on behalf of the Halifax Gateway Council and the Halifax airport: for the Halifax Gateway Council, no; for the airport, yes.

2:25 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

This is the same question. Has your organization seen the actual text of CETA as it will relate to the interests of your organization?

2:25 p.m.

Executive Director, Halifax Gateway Council

Nancy Phillips

We've seen the marketing piece that's been put out surrounding the impacts from CETA on Nova Scotia, by sector, but that was after it was formally announced.

2:25 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Has your group, Ms. Carter or Ms. Phillips, done any study pertaining to your organization that gives us an idea of what kind of job creation or economic benefit might happen in the Atlantic region as a result of CETA that you could share with us?

2:25 p.m.

Chair, Halifax Gateway Council

2:25 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Mr. Hutt, there have been two changes, as I understand it, to the intellectual property regime as it relates to pharmaceuticals. One of them has to do with giving patent right-holders the right of appeal that currently does not exist for patent right-holders but does exist for generic manufacturers.

It has been said this would give all litigants equal appeal rights. If that's the case, how was that unfair?

2:25 p.m.

Coordinator, Nova Scotia Citizens Health Care Network

James Hutt

I'll say that in terms of patent linkages, the area that I have least familiarity with, it being a provincial body, it's less of our focus to understand the implications of international trade. However, what I do understand is that given the fact that the European Commission does not use patent linkages and CETA does not require it to do so, these provisions only apply to Canada.

In fact, the European Commission prohibits the EU member countries from introducing patent linkage provisions, because they delay the entry of generic drugs. In the past, Italy in 2012 was reprimanded for trying to do so. It is ironic that under CETA , rather than Canada eliminating its patent linkage system, it will be forced to strengthen it by providing a right of appeal that will create further delays to the entry of generics. What that looks like, on average, is about six to twelve months as a further delay before generics appear. This is simply because of the time it takes the appeal to go through the court system.

2:25 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

In terms of the two-year patent term restoration, as I understand it, if a patent rights-holder applies for a drug to get regulatory approval in Canada, the length of time it takes to approve that drug currently counts against the time they can market it free from competition, so they question why they should have their patent term eaten up by a slow regulatory process. You pointed out that the extension of up to two years would apply, even if they themselves are guilty of the delay.

2:25 p.m.

Coordinator, Nova Scotia Citizens Health Care Network

James Hutt

Exactly.

2:25 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

Can you explain how that would be fair, that an applicant would purposely delay the process and then extend their patent term because of that?

2:25 p.m.

Coordinator, Nova Scotia Citizens Health Care Network

James Hutt

It's not necessarily about fairness, in the sense that they are purposely delaying their application process, but in the sense where it does not meet compliance or there are a number of issues around actually filing and having the patent approved, it shouldn't be counted against that when it's simply the company's fault.

2:25 p.m.

NDP

Don Davies NDP Vancouver Kingsway, BC

I see.

In terms of infrastructure, Ms. Carter and Ms. Phillips, you pointed out the vital importance of rail, roads and ports to Canada's ability to export efficiently. Perhaps you could describe for us the state of that infrastructure in Atlantic Canada, briefly. Maybe you could give us some advice in terms of what the federal government might be able to do to help improve the infrastructure in this region.