Evidence of meeting #27 for International Trade in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was stores.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Mark Weber  National President, Customs and Immigration Union
Barbara Barrett  Executive Director, Frontier Duty Free Association
Douglas Lovegrove  President, Osella Technologies Inc.
Clerk of the Committee  Ms. Dancella Boyi
Kenneth Bieger  Chief Executive Officer, Niagara Falls Bridge Commission

11:05 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair (Hon. Judy A. Sgro (Humber River—Black Creek, Lib.)) Liberal Judy Sgro

I am calling the meeting to order.

This is meeting number 27 of the Standing Committee on International Trade.

Today's meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the House order of June 23, 2022; therefore, members are attending in person in the room and remotely by using the Zoom application.

I'd like to make a few comments for the benefit of the witnesses and members.

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Should any technical difficulties arise, please advise me. Please note that we may need to suspend for a few minutes in order to ensure that all members are able to participate fully in the meeting.

Pursuant to Standing Order 108(2) and the motion adopted by the committee on Monday, June 6, the committee is beginning its study of potential impacts of the ArriveCAN application on certain Canadian sectors.

We have with us today, from the Customs and Immigration Union, Mark Weber, national president, by video conference. I believe he's having some technical difficulties, so I'm talking a little bit slowly so that he can get connected.

From the Frontier Duty Free Association, we have Barbara Barrett, executive director. From Osella Technologies, we have Douglas Lovegrove, president. From the Niagara Falls Bridge Commission, we have Kenneth Bieger, chief executive officer.

Welcome to all of you. Thank you so much for taking the time to come out. We know we didn't give you a lot of notice, so we very much appreciate your coming.

Okay, Mr. Weber is good to go.

All right, Mr. Weber, we're glad you're connected. I invite you make an opening statement, sir, of up to five minutes, please.

11:05 a.m.

Mark Weber National President, Customs and Immigration Union

Thank you very much, Madam Chair.

Madam Chair, members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you today. My name is Mark Weber. I'm the national president of the Customs and Immigration Union, which represents personnel working for the Canada Border Services Agency, the CBSA.

I'll be brief.

Following the recent announcement that the use of the ArriveCAN application will no longer be mandatory, it is hard to convey the relief that border officers across the country must be feeling. While border officers take great pride in their duty to serve the Canadian public, I know with great certainty that none of them imagined that the best use of a trained law enforcement officer would be to provide IT support due to, really, an ill-designed app that failed to take into account the idiosyncrasies at our borders. I've said it before and I'll say it again: From the perspective of border operations, as far as border officers are concerned, the last months have shown that ArriveCAN fails to facilitate cross-border travel while doing very little to address the severe gaps in border security that are plaguing our country.

At the risk of repeating what has been highlighted time and time again, I will say that the implementation of ArriveCAN really follows the same pattern of overreliance on automated technologies that we've seen before with primary inspection kiosks and that we're now starting to see with eGates. It's a misguided approach that senselessly sets aside any security considerations.

What I urge the government and the agency to do now is to turn their attention to the severe deficit in personnel afflicting border services throughout the country. The reality is really bleak—the agency needs thousands more officers if it wishes to fulfill its mandate. This past summer alone, at some of its busiest land border crossings, the CBSA often had little choice but to choose between properly staffing commercial operations or traveller operations, and that's to say little of what it simply cannot do, which is adequately curb the smuggling of dangerous goods, despite the sustained efforts of its officers.

Ultimately, what the failure of ArriveCAN shows us is that our government must continue to invest in people to best serve people and must reconsider its pursuit of a one-size-fits-all technological panacea.

In conclusion, it's my hope that the union's input will assist the committee in this important work.

I thank you for the opportunity and I look forward to your questions.

11:10 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much, Mr. Weber.

Ms. Barrett, please go ahead.

September 27th, 2022 / 11:10 a.m.

Barbara Barrett Executive Director, Frontier Duty Free Association

Thank you, Madam Chair. Thank you, members, for having me here today.

My name is Barbara Barrett. I'm the executive director of the Frontier Duty Free Association, representing land border duty-free stores across Canada.

Since the creation of the land border duty-free program in 1982, the federal government and small locally run family businesses have co-operated in building local border communities by driving export sales and repatriating Canadian dollars.

These small local retail businesses have made significant contributions to local employment, taxation and business growth. In addition, these independent stores have made strong contributions to the economies and social structures of some of the most remote rural communities in every province that shares a land border with the United States. Together, these independently owned duty-free stores have come to represent an important and integral part of the tourism industry by repatriating sales and acting as ambassadors to visitors to our country. The stores continue to promote unique Canadian-made products and ensure that visitors buy Canadian before leaving Canada.

Importantly, any items not bought at these stores are sales lost to the Canadian economy and tax system and are simply bought in U.S. stores a few hundred metres across the border.

From a federal government perspective, duty-free stores are an export industry success story, and the revenues generated through the small network of stores benefit the Canadian economy, create jobs and promote trade.

Prepandemic, land border duty-free stores repatriated over $1.5 billion in sales over 10 years, which would otherwise have been lost to U.S. duty-free stores and U.S. retailers. Total direct and indirect employment accounts for approximately 2,500 full-time employment Canadian jobs. These jobs represent approximately $35 million per year in federal, provincial and local taxes, and our operators have invested a total of more than $60 million in border communities.

Now let's talk about the pandemic.

The pandemic hit many sectors of the Canadian economy hard, but the closure of the Canadian-U.S. border for nearly two years literally shuttered Canada's land border duty-free sector. While many sectors of the tourism economy could run to domestic customers, or even to models like takeout or curbside pickup outdoors, our stores were forced into almost complete closure to keep Canadians safe from the raging COVID-19 cases in the United States.

Simply put, if Canadians and Americans could not cross the border, then our stores could not, by federal law, make sales. We were, without exaggeration, the hardest hit of the hardest hit.

I do want to point out that with the border closure starting in March 2020, we were enormously grateful for the rent and wage subsidy supports provided to our tourism businesses and others. With these, we were able to keep staff and are here to recover today. On behalf of my members, I wish to thank you for those supports.

I also want to be clear that as supports ended in spring 2022, the Canada-U.S. border was not truly open and in fact will not start to return to normal until the end of this week, on October 1.

This past summer, while the rest of Canada's economy was recovering, our border recovery stayed 45% to 50% down from prepandemic levels due to federal restrictions and the required use of the ArriveCAN app.

Hopes for a major end-of-season bounceback in sales during Labour Day weekend, like the other long weekends in the summer, were crushed for duty-free store operators, as surveys indicated an average of a 47% decrease in sales for Labour Day compared with the same period in 2019, all while federal supports have ended.

We would like to formally thank ministers for yesterday's exciting announcement to drop travel restrictions. Our federally regulated, independently owned small businesses have been devastated by the measures put in place at the border and have been left behind, despite doing their part to help keep Canadians safe. Therefore, as a matter of industry survival, we are asking for a short-term financial bridge to get our stores to the other side of winter in the form of a modest loan program.

We have proposed to Finance Canada a program that would earmark a total of $20 million in loan supports so that our export business can continue to represent Canada at the border and continue as an important, integral part of Canada's tourism fabric.

Please ask yourselves this question: What business can be almost completely shut down for 20 months, and then be down by 50% for several more months, and still survive without support?

I would be pleased to outline the nature of the support plan to members further and take any questions you might have about other policy areas, such as the reinstatement of the visitor rebate program, that can help our sector move from being the hardest hit to thriving and being competitive worldwide.

Thank you.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Mr. Lovegrove, please go ahead for five minutes.

11:15 a.m.

Douglas Lovegrove President, Osella Technologies Inc.

Madam Chair and committee, thank you very much for having me in attendance today. I'll make a brief opening statement.

I'm an owner of a company. We've not quite made it to a year yet. I and a few partners made the decision to take this great leap in October of last year. Up until maybe a week or so ago, when we started hearing about the removal of the mandate for ArriveCAN, it has felt like the government has had their foot on my throat.

Where we exist in Windsor, just outside of the town of Windsor, we are 80% reliant on a U.S. customer base for our industry. Trying to generate new business and grow a new enterprise with this restriction has been very challenging. I'm very thankful that the federal government has decided to end the mandatory use of ArriveCAN.

I'll end it there. I'll keep it brief. I look forward to answering some specific questions about our industry.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Thank you very much. I'm happy to see you still standing and sitting there.

11:15 a.m.

President, Osella Technologies Inc.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

I was just congratulating you on still standing and still sitting there, right? You've managed to do that.

11:15 a.m.

President, Osella Technologies Inc.

Douglas Lovegrove

Yes. Thank you very much.

11:15 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

While they're looking after technical issues, we're going to start the questioning from the members.

Mr. Baldinelli, you have six minutes, please.

11:15 a.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I'd like to thank all our witnesses for being with us today.

As you know, today is World Tourism Day, and I'd like to thank all stakeholders for their advocacy efforts. I thank not only our stakeholders, but all Canadians, the residents of my riding and colleagues who sit at this table with me for their actions and for working so that we could get these restrictions and the ArriveCAN application eliminated at our borders, beginning this weekend.

But again, it's this weekend. During COVID we lost two tourism years, and unfortunately we lost another tourism year this year. The two years we could blame on COVID, but this year, ladies and gentlemen, was self-inflicted. We have been advocating for months that this application and the restrictions at the border be removed, joining the over 60 countries that are out there ending the restrictions at their borders.

Why did it take this government so long to take these actions? I have a community of 40,000 people who work in the tourism sector, and they deserve better. My understanding was that the Liberal caucus met in Niagara in August, yet they did not hear from local stakeholders on their efforts and their need to have this application removed.

With that, I'd like to begin asking some questions, if I could. I'll start with Mr. Weber.

It's interesting that one of the stakeholders I talked to this summer was Mr. Bieger, from the Niagara Falls Bridge Commission. He talked about the difficulties and the staffing shortages. He also told me about the fact that the Canada Border Services Agency training centre in Ottawa was closed for two years, and that was confirmed by Mr. Vinette from CBSA, who mentioned being short of a cohort of about 600 officers. I wonder if you could build on that and talk about the staffing needs that are required so that communities like Niagara can have proper CBSA staffing levels.

11:20 a.m.

National President, Customs and Immigration Union

Mark Weber

Thank you very much for the question.

Our staffing shortages are severe. They exist across the country in every mode, at ports of entry and outside of ports of entry as well.

One of the bigger problems we have currently is that we only use the one training centre for our recruits, which means the maximum number of new recruits we can graduate every year is close to that 600 number that you used, which in reality barely covers attrition. We're simply not getting our numbers up.

There's an effort on the CBSA's part now to really get through as many as possible, but it's not nearly enough. One thing I think we really need to look at doing is to open a second or third training facility so we can get more recruits working at the front line.

I can give you an example of the shortages in your area. Rainbow Bridge is currently operating with 48 officers. They were just a short while ago at over 100. We're talking in some places of needing to double and triple the number of staff we have. That's not to mention the opening of the Gordie Howe bridge, which will, of course, increase the need for even more officers once that gets going.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Thank you, Mr. Weber.

To that point on the Rainbow Bridge, that's the Niagara Falls Bridge Commission and Mr. Bieger. I was wondering if he's online.

11:20 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Mr. Bieger, can we check your connection again, please?

11:20 a.m.

The Clerk of the Committee Ms. Dancella Boyi

Mr. Bieger, can you say one more sentence?

11:20 a.m.

Kenneth Bieger Chief Executive Officer, Niagara Falls Bridge Commission

Sure. Can you hear me right now?

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

I can. What about translation?

11:20 a.m.

The Clerk

We're getting an okay from the interpreters. Let's give that a try, please. We can verify if the interpretation will proceed.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

To clarify, Chair, I hope I haven't lost any time because of that.

Mr. Bieger, I just want to follow up with you and some of the comments from Mr. Weber.

The Niagara Falls Bridge Commission actually controls Rainbow Bridge. You supplied a submission in July that talked about wait times being up almost 50% even though traffic volumes were down 50%. Wait times were almost two hours.

The government was saying that ArriveCAN was intended to facilitate and improve processing times. Did you find that this in fact happened at the bridges under your control?

11:20 a.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Niagara Falls Bridge Commission

Kenneth Bieger

No, ArriveCAN definitely did not speed up traffic.

There's really a combination of three things: the CBSA staff shortage, the public health measures and reporting of vaccination requirements, and ArriveCAN. The problem we saw was that it was hard to distinguish between the two; ArriveCAN and the reporting requirement go together.

11:20 a.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Mr. Bieger, can I just follow up on one question as well?

Again, perhaps I can return to the fact that my understanding is that the Ontario Liberal caucus met in Niagara Falls and had no opportunity to meet with stakeholders. At that same time, the public safety minister actually did an announcement at the Rainbow Bridge. It's an important issue to talk about the illegal flow of firearms into this country, but did he take that opportunity at all to mention ArriveCAN and ask your offices about it and the impact that it was having on the Niagara Falls Bridge Commission?

11:25 a.m.

Chief Executive Officer, Niagara Falls Bridge Commission

Kenneth Bieger

No. No one met with us to discuss that.

Again, what we're seeing is that ArriveCAN and the vaccination reporting requirement are the problem together. Even the few times when there were more lanes open than at prepandemic times, we saw there were more delays in the traffic than prepandemic.

11:25 a.m.

Conservative

Tony Baldinelli Conservative Niagara Falls, ON

Am I out of time?

11:25 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Judy Sgro

Yes.