Yes. I think there is a big difference between deterrence and denunciation, and I heard you mention both. Deterrence, we know, is simply not something that happens as a result of the application of the criminal law. We shouldn't even be talking about it anymore, but denunciation is very important, and I think that's what Mrs. Prober is talking about. And I think that has to happen in personally meaningful ways or in meaningful ways to a community.
So when you say there's an appetite out there to do something that will provide for denunciation, I think you have to remember that there's a large body of research on public perceptions of crime that show that Canadians, when they only read the headline in the newspaper, may be shocked at the lack of denunciation of a sentence. When they are given information that brings them closer to the reality of exactly what the circumstances are—and I do not mean empathy for the offender, necessarily, but what the victim is experiencing, what kinds of things are being done that make sense to the victim, that are a denunciation, that this is taken seriously and the needs are being taken seriously—Canadians want that. We know this.
So I think it's important that you be aware of that body of research and not assume that Canadians want just the simplistic answer that is not going to give them the real result we all want.