I am answering this, but first I'd like to clarify the programming comment that was made about lack of resources. The lack of resources in a community would apply regardless of what form of supervision you were on. I want to clarify that. If there's a community that lacks a certain type of programming for offenders, that would be a lack regardless of whether you're on conditional sentence, probation, or so on.
In terms of the deterrent effect we were talking about, it was just to say that when we have seen some previous testimony, or references, or research that there's no deterrent effect at all to jail, that is not our experience in dealing with offenders. We deal with supervising, literally, hundreds and thousands of offenders, and in fact for some offenders there is a deterrent.
Regarding the comment about the seriousness of the offence and that the judge reflects the community values and that would come out, we're not dealing with these sensational media cases, these three cases; we are seeing all of the cases. So we're not saying, I read in the paper about one such horrific case; we are seeing all of them. After you see, for example, hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of serious sexual offences against children, you would have to say in what community does that sentence that judge has handed down reflect the values of that community? Is it the value they placed on children? That's where I'm saying some of our concerns are coming from. We're actually seeing the cases, all of the circumstances--the prospects for rehabilitation, the offender's attitude--and that's the source of our comments.