Thank you, Mr. Chair. I wanted to follow up on a different tack.
When I was still practising, it seemed to me there were more and more suggestions, or actual attempts by lawyers, to get cases covered, both in the criminal and immigration law areas, where the courts would be asked to appoint counsel directly, and the department, whether provincial or federal, would be required to pay directly, as opposed to going through the legal aid system.
Regarding the item that Mr. Lemay just drew to your attention, is that where those costs come from?