I think we have to look at what Canadians want and at what is best for animals.
I know it can be alluring and seductive to want to increase penalties, but when we look at how low those conviction rates are and how long it has taken us to get here, what are we really improving? So we're not doing what the majority of Canadians want.
Greg, very thoughtfully, brought this stack of what looks to me like democracy sitting on the table, this large debate that has gone on for nine years. And you're so close to getting the kind of legislation that truly will protect animals, which Canadians truly want. I think it's worth it to continue to go after a bill that, as you said, is much more appetizing.