Evidence of meeting #14 for Justice and Human Rights in the 40th Parliament, 2nd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was organizations.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Lynn Barr-Telford  Director, Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, Statistics Canada
Ross Bingley  Bureau Commander, Organized Crime Enforcement Bureau, Ontario Provincial Police
Randall Richmond  Deputy Chief Prosecutor of Criminal and Penal Prosecutions, Organized Crime Prosecutions Bureau, Department of Justice (Quebec)
Jocelyn Latulippe  Co-Chair, Organized Crime Committee and Chief Inspector, Sûreté du Québec, Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police
Craig Grimes  Senior Analyst, Courts Program, Canadian Centre for Justice Statistics, Statistics Canada
Matthew Taylor  Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

6:05 p.m.

Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

I can ask for each clause, if you like.

6:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Yes.

6:05 p.m.

Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

I will ask.

6:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

You certainly can if you wish, but I was hoping we could collaborate a little here to get this through quickly.

April 20th, 2009 / 6:05 p.m.

Conservative

Mike Wallace Conservative Burlington, ON

Why are you doing this?

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Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

If we are not able to quickly consult the officials, is it not possible that we might not understand what we are voting on? I might as well take your Conservative Party membership card.

6:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

As I understand it, Monsieur Ménard, there was one clause you had an issue with that you've provided an amendment for. We're going to deal with that. There's no suggestion that you have amendments to any of the other clauses. I hope we will have some collaboration and cooperation.

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Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

This is not about cooperation. I just want to be quickly reminded...I have read it, I came in on Sunday to read it, but I just want to make sure that we understand what we are voting on. That is why we are here. Where does the idea come from that cooperation means not asking for an explanation of what we are voting on?

6:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

If there are questions for any particular clause you can certainly ask them. I'm not going to shut you down. We'll just move through them one by one.

6:05 p.m.

Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

I am going to ask about the intent of each clause. I like thoroughness, Mr. Petit, but I know that you and thoroughness are always some distance apart.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

We'll move to clause-by-clause.

Monsieur Ménard.

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Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

What is the intent of clause 1?

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Matthew Taylor Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Clause 1 is really a drafting formality to bring consistency to the use of certain specified terms throughout the code and to ensure that there's no ambiguity in how these terms are interpreted in the code.

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Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

Fine. Thank you.

(Clause 1 agreed to)

(On clause 2)

6:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Next are clauses 2 and 3.

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Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

What is the intent of clause 2?

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Monsieur Ménard.

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Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

Monsieur Wallace, control yourself. You are so nervous.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Please.

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Matthew Taylor

Clause 2 is only a drafting formality to modernize language in the code.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Thank you.

(Clauses 2 and 3 agreed to)

(On clause 4)

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Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

No. What is the intent of clause 4?

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Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice

Matthew Taylor

Clause 4 adds one existing offence and a proposed new offence to section 183 to authorize wiretaps for the investigation of these offences. Section 244 on discharging a firearm with intent, which exists in the code currently, was not included in that list. So we're adding it to that list now, as well as the new proposed offence of discharging a firearm while being reckless.

(Clause 4 agreed to)

(On clause 5)

6:05 p.m.

Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Shall clause 5 carry?

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Bloc

Réal Ménard Bloc Hochelaga, QC

No. What is the intent of clause 5?