I don't know about externally in the health care system. I do know that in the correctional system, the recruitment, retention, and the development of correctional psychologists that we see has been an ongoing challenge, and it's been a very good one.
Corrections Canada has been very fortunate and is a large employer of clinical psychologists in its organization. I think we're almost the largest single employer of psychologists in Canada in the public sector. That's put the caveat around that. We still need more. It has a lot to do with the nature of the kinds of challenges and the populations we're dealing with. We have many sub-populations of offenders to deal with that present unique challenges for risk management, assessment, programming, supervision and estimating release risk, all with the goal of enhancing public safety.
So are there challenges? Certainly. A lot of it has to do with the rewards for somebody engaging in this kind of work and how you retain them. It takes a long time to develop a qualified professional in our system, and it takes many years of education and internships, and there are many hurdles to climb in order to become a qualified practitioner. The investment has to start not only in the academic institutions for training of health care and mental health professionals and whatnot, but should also carry over for opportunities and support while they're within the various systems.