Evidence of meeting #25 for Justice and Human Rights in the 40th Parliament, 3rd Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was adult.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Merlin Nunn  Retired Justice of the Supreme Court of Nova Scotia, As an Individual
Ronald MacDonald  Senior Crown Counsel and Criminal Law Policy Advisor, Policy, Planning and Research, Department of Justice, Government of Nova Scotia
Joshua Hawkes  Director of Policy, Appeals, Education and Policy Branch, Department of Justice and Attorney General, Government of Alberta
David Greening  Executive Director, Policy Development and Analysis, Department of Justice, Government of Manitoba

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Liberal

Larry Bagnell Liberal Yukon, YT

He did.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Okay.

But on denunciation, and specifically deterrence, many of the witnesses who represent social service organizations that focus on rehabilitation have asked us not to include deterrence. They suggest that deterrence doesn't work, or certainly doesn't work as well with youth as it does with adults.

I note that the bill itself refers to specific deterrence, not general deterrence. It's focused on one specific offender, and it's just another tool in the arsenal of tools that would be available to a judge.

Do you agree with my characterization?

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Director of Policy, Appeals, Education and Policy Branch, Department of Justice and Attorney General, Government of Alberta

Joshua Hawkes

It's critical to differentiate between general and specific deterrence. The vast majority of social science literature that challenges deterrence challenges the notion of general deterrence. I can deter you by punishing Mr. MacDonald more severely, but the question of whether I can deter your behaviour or Mr. MacDonald's by dealing with him directly is a different question. There is some evidence that it does have an impact.

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Conservative

The Chair Conservative Ed Fast

Thank you.

I'm going to thank all four of you for your input today. Your evidence is certainly going to be helpful as we move forward in debating this bill and eventually move to clause-by-clause.

Thanks to all of you.

We're adjourned.