I don't have my complete notes here. I can only say that the incidents that I gave in my prepared remarks for the committee and in second reading were not sufficient.... That's why I've introduced this bill. Community service has been the emphasis. I've heard Mr. Harris speak in the House. I shouldn't pick on members, but he's a good one to pick on. He or one of his colleagues said that working with the legions is the answer. The penalties that have been implemented, like working with the legions, simply haven't worked. We know this because it continues to happen. It even happens during the second reading debate on this bill, for heaven's sake.
I emphasize that these penalties—and I don't mean to provoke Mr. Cotler—are mandatory minimum penalties. That's the lowest. Madam Boivin was talking about plea bargaining. Well, you can't go any lower than that. That's as low as you can go. In fact, you will go up from there if the penalties are more severe. With the Malvern incident, for example, I would hope that the penalty would be a lot more than $1,000. These young people actually stood around and took pictures and came back a second time.