Thank you, Mr. Chair.
I just want to pursue that situation a little more. On page 4 of your document called Sentencing in Canada, published in 1990, the John Howard Society specifically says that restitution and fines are to cover expenses and to make restitution to victims. That's their purpose.
From my perspective, I've never seen that happen. I've never seen a fine imposed that actually came anywhere close to the damage caused. I'd like to pursue this further, because I think there are two possible payers of victims in this particular case. One is society, which in my mind victimizes more people; the other is the criminals themselves, who do have the possibility of paying through alternative measures, or through a working scenario, or indeed through money that they have already in their possession.
So who do you think should pay for this? Do you think society should pay—and victimize more people in society, in my mind—or do you think the criminal should pay?