You were also prudent in stating—and this might be a case that some legal scholars will make with us—the fact that when a new case of that nature would proceed in front of the court it's quite possible that in view of Bill C-587 being in effect, the crown and the defence could have some type of deal that will make it so that the person would end up pleading guilty to one of the three offences so as to avoid the impact of this bill. I think you did mention that fact, so that could also show how the impact of the bill would be close to zero.
Mr. Goguen was talking about the fact that the whole concept of Bill C-587 is built on the discretion of the court and for once everybody on this committee agrees that it's a good thing. That's not the problem with the bill in my opinion, but he said something about longer sentences with the bill, but it's not a longer sentence because the sentence is life. Am I correct? It's life. It's just the possibility of parole and when it will happen that will change.
When somebody leaves the incarceration system, Ms. Brisebois, after successfully going through the Parole Board and they are lifers, is it the end of their attachment to the system or are they still lifers? Am I correct?