Evidence of meeting #10 for Justice and Human Rights in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was patient.

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On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

William F. Pentney  Deputy Minister of Justice and Deputy Attorney General of Canada, Department of Justice
Simon Kennedy  Deputy Minister, Department of Health
Joanne Klineberg  Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Department of Justice
Donald Piragoff  Senior Assistant Deputy Minister, Policy Sector, Department of Justice
Karen R. Cohen  Chief Executive Officer, Canadian Psychological Association
Francine Lemire  Executive Director and Chief Executive Officer, College of Family Physicians of Canada
Philip Emberley  Director, Professional Affairs, Canadian Pharmacists Association
Giuseppe Battista  President, Committee on Criminal Law, Barreau du Québec
Jean-Pierre Ménard  Member, Working Group on the End-of-Life Care, Barreau du Québec
Françoise Hébert  Chair, End of Life Planning Canada
Nino Sekopet  Client Services Manager, End of Life Planning Canada
Will Johnston  Chair, Euthanasia Prevention Coalition of British Columbia, As an Individual

4:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to this first meeting of the Standing Committee on Justice and Human Rights related to our study of Bill C-14.

It is a great pleasure to welcome all of you here.

Today's subject matter is difficult. It's subject matter on which we have to reconcile autonomous rights, rights that have been set out in the charter, and rights set out in the Carter decision with the protection of the vulnerable.

The most important thing for me is that we do all of this with great respect. I know that our committee is capable of that, and I'm pleased today to welcome our first witnesses.

We have the Minister of Justice, the Honourable Jody Wilson-Raybould, and the Minister of Health, the Honourable Jane Philpott. With them, from the Department of Justice, we have William Pentney, the deputy minister and deputy attorney general; and from the Department of Health, Simon Kennedy, the deputy minister.

I'm going to turn it over to you, ministers. I'm not sure which one of you is going to speak first, but you're very welcome here.

4:05 p.m.

Vancouver Granville B.C.

Liberal

Jody Wilson-Raybould LiberalMinister of Justice and Attorney General of Canada

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I will present first, and then my colleague will present after me.

First of all, I want to acknowledge you, Mr. Chair, and the members of the committee. Thank you for providing us with this important opportunity to be here to speak about Bill C-14, which responds to last year's unanimous decision of the Supreme Court of Canada in Carter v. Canada and introduces a federal framework around medical assistance in dying.

Medical assistance in dying, as you said, Mr. Chair, is a complex and deeply personal issue. Every jurisdiction in the world that permits it or has debated it has carefully considered the wide range of interests at stake. In Canada, we work within a distinct legal and constitutional framework, which includes a division of powers between provincial, territorial, and federal governments, and the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, all of which inform the government's choices as reflected in this bill.

Bill C-14 would establish criminal law rules regarding medical assistance in dying that address eligibility, procedural safeguards, and the framework for a monitoring system. The proposed legislation would re-enact sections 14 and section 241, paragraph (b), of the Criminal Code, so that it would continue to be a crime to assist another person to die or to cause another person's death with their consent, except if either of these actions were done in accordance with the rules for medical assistance in dying as set out in this bill.

Bill C-14 would exempt physicians and authorized nurse practitioners from criminal liability if they provide medical assistance in dying to an eligible person in accordance with the procedural safeguards in the legislation. It would also exempt others who might be involved in this process, such as pharmacists who fill the prescription for medication.

Importantly, the bill includes a parliamentary review five years after coming into force. The government is also committed to further studying the complex issues of medical assistance in dying in the context of advance requests, mature minors, and where a mental illness is the sole underlying medical condition, none of which were before the court in Carter.

The government chose this approach after thoroughly considering the full range of potential options for a medical-assistance-in-dying regime. As noted in our legislative background paper, which I tabled at second reading, this included analyzing and comparing regimes in other jurisdictions, including Quebec's legislation, certain American states, several European countries, the country of Colombia, and others.

The government also relied on consultations conducted in this country, including the work of the special joint committee, the external panel, the provincial-territorial expert advisory group, and Quebec's multi-year study that informed the development of that province's own legislation. We also engaged and consulted with a wide array of stakeholders.

With the benefit of all this evidence and knowledge, which exceeds even the detailed record that was before the Supreme Court of Canada in the Carter case, the government has thoughtfully addressed this issue. Bill C-14 would allow for greater flexibility than the laws that exist in the United States, which are limited to terminally ill patients. At the same time, it does not go as far as some of the more permissive regimes in European countries. As the court noted in its Carter decision, “Complex regulatory regimes”—such as this—“are better created by Parliament than by the courts.”

Bill C-14 is fair and practical, and presents a balanced approach.

In terms of eligibility. I'm aware the requirement that a person's natural death be “reasonably foreseeable” has received some attention, including in terms of how it relates to the Carter decision. I would like to address these concerns.

The bill was deliberately drafted to respond to the circumstances that were the focus of the Carter case, where the court only heard evidence about people with late-stage incurable illnesses who were in physical decline and whose natural deaths were approaching. The court said the complete prohibition on assisted dying was a violation of charter rights for persons in these circumstances. In this way, the eligibility criteria in Bill C-14 comply with the Carter decision. They focus on the entirety of the person's medical circumstances and not on the specific list of approved conditions or illnesses.

By defining the term “grievous and irremediable medical condition”, the bill would ensure that all competent adults who are in an irreversible decline while on a path toward their death would be able to choose a peaceful, medically assisted death, whether or not they suffer from a fatal or terminal condition.

A person can be approaching a natural death based on medical circumstances that are not directly related to a serious, incurable illness, for example. As well, eligibility does not depend on a person's having a given amount of time remaining, such as a certain number of weeks or months to live, as in the United States. Reasonable foreseeability of death is ultimately a medical decision, and not a legal one, to be made by taking into account all of the person's medical circumstances, including the types and number of medical conditions, frailty, age, etc.

The vice-president of the Canadian Medical Association has confirmed that reasonable foreseeability of death is a standard that provides sufficient guidance to physicians and nurse practitioners by taking out a lot of the subjectivity that was left by the court's undefined concept of a grievous condition, while allowing those with the necessary medical knowledge and expertise to make the decisions based on the individual circumstances of each case.

There are other compelling reasons for there to be a requirement that the person's natural death be reasonably foreseeable. First, it provides a fair way to restrict eligibility without making assisted dying available to almost everyone. Second, restricting eligibility in this way is necessary to protect the vulnerable.

Other approaches to eligibility that were proposed and suggested would be arbitrary. For example, it would be arbitrary to permit people with degenerative but non-fatal conditions to have access to medical assistance in dying before their deaths have become reasonably foreseeable, while excluding individuals with mental illness alone, or those born with a physical disability, or those suffering physically or psychologically for any other reason. These are not viable options, in our opinion, as they discriminate on the basis of a person's medical condition from the outset rather than allowing the medical practitioner to consider all of the person's circumstances.

Others have suggested that the government should grant access liberally, based on the subjective experience of suffering of each individual and the right to choose when life ceases to have meaning, with little in the way of objective parameters related to their condition or safeguards. Our government firmly believes that medical assistance in dying should not be available for any and all types of suffering. If that were the case, the risk to vulnerable people would be greatly increased and, frankly, would be unacceptable. Such an approach could contribute to the stigmatization of persons with disabilities; it could undermine suicide prevention; and it could lead marginalized or lonely individuals to seek medical assistance to end their lives prematurely.

As the court noted in Carter, when crafting legislation, Parliament must balance and weigh the perspective of those who might be at risk in a permissive regime. Our government respects the Supreme Court of Canada, and believes that in legislating in this incredibly complex and personal area, we must be concerned with protecting the dignity of these Canadians' lives.

This is why the criteria in the bill address the full range of medical circumstances that can make a person's death reasonably foreseeable. In doing so, the law sends a clear message about the intended purpose of medical assistance in dying: to give competent adults who are in a path toward their natural death the choice of a peaceful passing. It also provides maximum flexibility for medical assessment to health care providers, both in terms of the circumstances that led a person to be on a trajectory toward death and in terms of the time during which they can seek medically assisted death.

I want to emphasize the importance of having a legislative response in place before June 6, 2016, when the court's declaration of invalidity expires. Without a new law, on June 6 the parameters of the Carter decision would come into effect.

The scope of the decision is uncertain in several respects and, as a result, there would be uncertainty as to how it would be applied in practice. Assuming for a moment that the Carter decision read down in section 14 and section 241, paragraph (b), of the Criminal Code so that except for medical assistance in dying these criminal laws would be in force, sufficient uncertainty would still remain.

First, given that in the medical community there is no common understanding of a “grievous and irremediable” condition, it would become difficult for a patient who would be eligible under Bill C-14 to gain access to medical assistance in dying. Without a clear law in place, some physicians who may otherwise be willing to provide it could refuse to do so because they are not clear on who properly qualifies.

As well, failing to define the Carter parameters with federal legislation could lead to a wide variation on how eligibility is applied, not only between provinces or regions, but within them. Access in remote and rural areas would be negatively affected, not only because physicians may be unwilling to provide medical assistance in dying in such an uncertain legal environment, but also because, under the Carter decision, nurse practitioners are not able to provide assistance.

Second, the current interim court approval process will end on June 6. Therefore, outside of Quebec, there would be no legally binding framework to govern medical assistance in dying in Canada. In other words, there would be no mandatory procedural safeguards to prevent abuses and protect vulnerable persons.

Guidelines published by medical regulators are not binding, nor are they uniform, which further risks creating a patchwork across Canada. This can pose very serious public safety risks. For instance, a patient could both request and receive medical assistance in dying on the same day. Without going through an exhaustive list of risks, needless to say, it would be irresponsible to let June 6 come and go without a federal law in place.

As the court made clear in paragraph 117 of Carter, “the risks associated with physician-assisted death can be limited through a carefully designed and monitored system of safeguards”. Bill C-14 provides a responsible and balanced framework that limits those risks and puts in place those safeguards.

I certainly welcome the opportunity to discuss this bill and contribute to your study of the proposed legislation. The approach in Bill C-14 responds to the Carter decision with what I believe is sensitivity in all of the issues that were before the court in this case and creates a responsible and fair legal framework to permit medical assistance in dying in Canada for the first time in our country's history.

Now, with your permission, Mr. Chair, I would like to turn it over to Minister Philpott.

4:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Thank you very much, Minister Wilson-Raybould.

Madam Minister of Health, you have the floor.

4:20 p.m.

Markham—Stouffville Ontario

Liberal

Jane Philpott LiberalMinister of Health

Thank you, Mr. Chair.

I will be making a few comments in French as well, for those who need the earphones.

Mr. Chair and honourable committee members, thank you for the opportunity to appear before you this afternoon. I am very pleased to be here with my colleague to discuss this important subject of medical assistance in dying.

I think that each of us around this table would not deny the monumental nature of the piece of legislation with which we are involved. This speaks to the profound and solemn nature of our responsibility as representatives of the people of Canada to make wise decisions, and I thank you for sharing with us in this process and look forward to your comments and questions.

Conversations about the end of life can be incredibly challenging. I can say that from personal experience, and I know that all of you have had similar experiences and have your own personal stories about end-of-life conversations, yet it's a vital conversation that we need to participate in as individuals, as members of Parliament, and as a society.

They are difficult conversations for health care providers as well. Health care providers may not have had an education that has adequately prepared them for discussing this, let alone providing the supports that patients need at the end of life. As we strive to meet the needs of Canadians at the end of life, we also encounter a system that can often frustrate the attempts of people to live out their personal autonomy.

We all want a system where respect for personal autonomy is a cornerstone of all policies. We also want a system where the rights of the most vulnerable are respected and protected. This legislation is one important piece of the puzzle when it comes to ensuring that Canadians have access to not only a good life, but also a good death.

It's about empowering patients to take control of their own narrative and ensuring that Canadians can receive compassionate care as they approach the end of life.

As you well know, we listened to what Canadians and stakeholders had to say before we developed this legislation. We reviewed it closely to ensure consistency with the charter. We looked closely at the Carter decision to ensure that individuals in similar circumstances would have access to care that would alleviate suffering, including the option for medical assistance in dying.

In the course of this debate and since the introduction of this bill, we have heard from several parliamentarians and many stakeholders. Some have had concerns that the legislation goes too far, and we acknowledge that for many the new reality in the post-Carter era is an unfamiliar one and will heighten anxieties about how we protect the most vulnerable in society.

I want to assure those Canadians that we acknowledge their concerns, and we believe that the safeguards in place in this bill will ensure that we protect the rights of those most at risk.

We've also heard from others who feel that the proposed legislation does not go far enough and who would like to see expanded eligibility in certain areas, and we would also like to thank these Canadians for speaking up on behalf of those who are suffering.

Our commitment as a government was to respond to the Carter decision. This necessitates changes to the Criminal Code that will protect health care professionals as they support patients in their decision-making. At the same time, we are committed to taking time to address additional questions that are more complex and where more time and study are needed.

For instance, the proposed legislation sets the minimum eligible age for decision-making at 18—the age of majority in most provinces and territories. We believe this is appropriate, given the unique and irreversible nature of this decision. We know that the capacity to make health care decisions is not tied strictly to age and that depending on the province, children as young as 14 have had the right to refuse or consent to medical treatment.

Given the divergence of opinion on this issue among Canadians and stakeholders, the special joint committee, as you know, called for further study and broad-based consultations on the issue surrounding the concept of mature minors. Our proposed legislation reflects that guidance and the need to tread carefully; however, we acknowledge the difficult situations that mature minors and their families face at the end of life, and we commit to taking the necessary time to study this matter in the months to come.

We faced similar challenges in considering the issue of advance directives. The Supreme Court did not deal with this issue in Carter, and the views of Canadians and stakeholders, as you know, are divided. I understand the hardship for those Canadians who fear that after being diagnosed with a disease such as dementia they may experience a decline that could compromise their dignity. This has led to pleas to allow people to make requests for medical assistance in dying well in advance of the time when the person is no longer competent to make or reaffirm a desire to accelerate their own death.

I had the opportunity to meet with a group called Dying With Dignity recently to understand their perspective and the thoughtfulness with which they presented their case.

After 30 years of practising medicine, I am well aware of the concerns of Canadians who endure suffering at the end of life, and understand why some would contemplate using advance requests to seek medical assistance in dying. However, we must consider the complex policy and medical practice issues raised by advance requests.

By their very nature, advance requests are made before they're needed. Even if reviewed regularly, they would be an enacted only when a person has lost competence or is no longer able to communicate. This means that the final consent, a key requirement in most assisted-dying regimes around the world, could not be verified by a health care provider or anyone else.

Health care stakeholder groups have cautioned that advance directives for other forms of medical treatment can be very difficult to respect in practice, and the implications would be more significant in the case of assisted dying.

As June 6 approaches, we have limited time to better understand how advance directives would work in practice. Determining how they would be carried out would require extensive consultations with Canadians, stakeholders, medical professionals, regulatory bodies, provinces, and territories. In light of these circumstances, we are proposing to explore this issue with further study.

The proposed legislation also does not permit eligibility solely on the basis of suffering from mental illness. There's no denying that mental illness can cause profound suffering, but illnesses such as chronic depression, cognitive disorders, and schizophrenia raise particular concerns with respect to informed decision making.

We've consulted with numerous stakeholders on this issue and have concluded that the nuances are not sufficiently understood at this time to allow safe and appropriate legislation to be crafted.

To that end, the government is making a commitment to mandate one or more independent studies on the questions of requests by mature minors, advance requests, or requests for mental illness as the sole underlying medical condition.

Bill C-14 also includes a clause that requires Parliament to conduct a review of the legislation five years after royal assent. This will allow for a parliamentary review of the complex issues, as well as the evolving experience of Canadians in implementing medical assistance in dying.

Finally, one cannot discuss this legislation without a reaffirmation of the importance of improving access to high-quality palliative care for all Canadians. Our government is firmly committed to investing in this area, and I look forward to working with provinces and territories to ensure equitable access to all options for care at the end of life.

In closing, we believe this proposed legislation values the personal autonomy of Canadians, in line with the Supreme Court's decision in Carter, while ensuring the protection of vulnerable Canadians and the conscience rights of providers.

I want to thank all of you and others who have engaged thoughtfully and respectfully on this challenging issue. I know this committee is going to hear a range of views and opinions in the coming days and weeks.

I thank you for your consideration. I look forward to your responses.

I welcome any questions you may have.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Thank you very much, Madam Minister. We very much appreciate both of you agreeing to come here today and be our first witnesses. As you mentioned, we're going to be hearing from over 40 witnesses in the course of this week. We also understand the importance of getting this done quickly, and we're trying to fulfill that by meeting the extra hours that we are.

Now we're going to have our panels of questioners. There are going to be 50 minutes of questions, and in the first round you're going to get six minutes from the Conservatives, six from the Liberals, six from the NDP, and six from the Liberals.

I'm going to turn it over to Mr. Cooper, who will be the first questioner.

May 2nd, 2016 / 4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB

Thank you, honourable ministers, for your presentations this afternoon. I know that all honourable members appreciate your attendance.

The legislation, in my opinion, contains some very good provisions, but there are some areas I do have some concerns about.

One of the areas I have some concern about is the safeguards for persons with underlying mental health challenges. As the legislation currently stands, two nurse practitioners or two physicians could determine whether or not a patient meets the criteria for access to physician-assisted dying.

One of the issues we heard about at the special joint committee was that physicians may be able to diagnose underlying mental health challenges. To take the next step of determining capacity to consent for persons with underlying mental health challenges, there was some evidence that someone more specialized, such as a psychiatrist, might be involved.

I was wondering why a safeguard along those lines was not included in the legislation and what your comments are.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

Thank you for that question. It's an important one.

The legislation makes it clear that it needs to be an adult who is capable of giving consent and informed consent at that. You are right that in some cases, such as in the case of mental illness, the illness may be such that it compromises a person's capacity. This decision will rely on the good judgment of professionals who are in the business of establishing capacity.

As you have indicated, there are a number of specialists who sometimes need to be called in and consulted on a case-by-case basis if the clarity of a person's capacity is not there. Certainly one would assume the medical professional in this case would determine that the person is capable. If there were any doubt and question, this would not stop them. There would be nothing in the legislation that would prevent someone from making a determination by an extra step to confirm a person's capacity.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jody Wilson-Raybould Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

As the minister indicated in her remarks, if we're speaking about a person with mental illness alone, this is the subject for further study that we're proposing in the legislation, taking into account those considerations.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB

The legislation doesn't preclude someone with an underlying mental health challenge from access to physician-assisted dying if they have a physical condition—and I think that's absolutely right. But why not include a safeguard along the lines of saying that if a physician identifies that a patient has an underlying mental health condition, they be referred to a psychiatrist? The psychiatrist would undertake an evaluation and provide a report verifying that the person does have the capacity to consent.

That would seem to be a pretty simple safeguard that would go a long way to protecting vulnerable persons.

4:30 p.m.

Liberal

Jody Wilson-Raybould Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

Maybe I can speak to that, and then Minister Philpott may want to add something.

For the elements in terms of eligibility, as you've rightly indicated, one condition could be a person who's suffering from mental illness, but the elements need to be considered in the totality of the symptoms and the suffering of the individual patient.

In terms of consent, there is the requirement for clearly consenting to a medical practitioner in being able to access medical assistance in dying. If there were questions with respect to the ability of that person to consent, again, we would leave it up to the competence of medical practitioners to be able to make that determination.

4:30 p.m.

Conservative

Michael Cooper Conservative St. Albert—Edmonton, AB

I'll move on to another area of concern, which is the need to balance on the one hand the charter rights of patients, but also the charter rights of physicians and allied health professionals. The need for that balance was expressly recognized by the Supreme Court in paragraph 132 of the Carter decision.

I guess I'm a little bit concerned that the legislation doesn't contain conscience protections. Instead, this has been left to the provinces, to colleges, to professional regulating bodies. I'm wondering if you might be able to comment on why you've chosen to effectively pass the buck on to the provinces on something as important as protecting what are fundamental freedoms under the section 2 charter rights.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Jody Wilson-Raybould Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

I know that the question of conscience rights of medical practitioners is one that has been raised in many forums. Certainly it was raised at the special joint committee.

Nothing in our legislation would compel a medical practitioner to perform medical assistance in dying. As you point out, the regulatory jurisdiction falls to the provinces and territories. Having said that, I know that my colleague, Minister Philpott, will continue to work extremely collaboratively, as she has been, with the provinces and territories to assist them where possible in ensuring that there is that comprehensive regulatory framework put in place.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

I would just underline—this is not within the legislation, but you've probably heard us talking about this around the topic of conscience rights—that recognizing both the fact that we are committed to upholding the conscience rights of health care providers and at the same time making sure that Canadians will have access to options for care, we have made it clear to the provinces and territories, and are in fact already working with them on developing a care coordination system for end-of-life care, that we'll ensure that if a person is in a situation where their particular provider does not feel, for reasons of conscience, that they want to participate, we would put a mechanism in place. This has been greeted with great enthusiasm by medical associations and by provinces and territories. I look forward to giving you more details as that develops.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

We'll move to Mr. Hussen.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Ahmed Hussen Liberal York South—Weston, ON

Minister Wilson-Raybould, under proposed subsection 241(5) in the Criminal Code, any person who aids another person to self-administer a substance prescribed as part of medical assistance in dying is excluded from liability.

In your opinion, does allowing non-medical personnel to assist with medical assistance in dying increase the risk that a vulnerable person may be coerced to end his or her life?

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Jody Wilson-Raybould Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

In terms of the overall safeguards put into the proposed legislation, the compliance with the eligibility criteria and with the safeguards would be left up to medical practitioners to determine. There are specific exemptions for pharmacists, for example, or persons who assist in the self-administration of any form of medication, but the requirements and the strict compliance with the safeguards would be determined by a medical practitioner.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Ahmed Hussen Liberal York South—Weston, ON

In your opinion, does Bill C-14 adequately balance the principles of autonomy and the protection of vulnerable individuals? Please explain why or why not, and describe any improvements that could be made to the bill in this respect.

4:35 p.m.

Liberal

Jody Wilson-Raybould Liberal Vancouver Granville, BC

We're confident this proposed legislation strikes the right balance and presents the best solution for Canada in recognizing individual autonomy and the protection of the vulnerable.

The Supreme Court said two things. One was that an absolute prohibition on medical assistance in dying is unconstitutional. The second thing they said was to Parliament, that we put a solution in place to provide for medical assistance in dying.

I have to say, and I think every person member around this table would agree, that this is an extremely complex and difficult issue. We have been careful to ensure that we adhere to the Supreme Court's decision in Carter, as well as to ensure that we balance the rights of individuals who could be more vulnerable.

We believe we have put forward the best solution for this country right now. It is really a paradigm shift in talking about death. It's a necessary conversation that isn't going to stop with the potential passage of this legislation, but will continue.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

I will add to that, because I think it's helpful to understand how we came to the decision you see before you in Bill C-14.

The request for personal autonomy was heard loud and clear. We heard it from the folks who were involved in the Carter case, and we are obviously very sensitive to their desires and the desires of others like them who want to have that personal autonomy.

Where Minister Wilson-Raybould and I felt particularly burdened was how we could make sure that we provided for that personal autonomy, while very much feeling the weight of the life and death decisions that were also on our shoulders in terms of the protection of not simply individuals, but society as a whole. I think you'll see that reflected in the legislation.

We are fundamentally committed to making sure people can, in a sense, write their own stories and write the final chapter of their lives as much as possible, but we felt a real weight with the fact this would be the end of people's lives. We need to make sure that appropriate safeguards are in place so that nobody comes to the end of their life without adequate protection. We as a government, and we as parliamentarians, have a responsibility to uphold that solemn responsibility.

If we had more time, I'd love to tell you a bit more about that. We undertook this with a deep sense of obligation to protect not only individuals and their rights, but also society as a whole and the challenges there.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

You have about 40 seconds left. Do you have a short question?

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Ahmed Hussen Liberal York South—Weston, ON

Quickly, under the framework established by Bill C-14, a provincial health care facility could choose not to provide medical assistance in dying. I'd like to know what your views are on that.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

For a province?

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Ahmed Hussen Liberal York South—Weston, ON

Yes, a provincial health care facility could choose not to provide medical assistance in dying.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

Jane Philpott Liberal Markham—Stouffville, ON

As you know, the delivery of health care is in the domain of the provinces and territories. In introducing this bill, we've made it clear that the federal government acknowledges that medical assistance in dying is to be considered a medically necessary service. With any other medically necessary service, we expect provinces to act within the Canada Health Act and to be sure that all Canadians have access to these particular options for care. We will work with the provinces and territories to make sure Canadians have the access they require.

4:40 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Mr. Rankin.