Any defence lawyer will tell you that there's no such thing as a typical criminal case. I don't want to give you answers. Here's the thing. I don't want to come to this committee and say that peremptory challenges are only properly used or they're never properly used. That's why I say we actually need statistical research. Mind you, it's very easy to do.
You take sample juries and take actual statistics from them, such as their racial makeup. You take a sample that's diverse enough across the country, 1,000 of them. You'll know who is being challenged peremptorily, and you'll know which side is using the challenges and for what purpose. It's not difficult to do, in my view. I don't think there's a typical number of peremptory challenges that are used.