The programs have evolved a lot. Part of the reason we spent so much time in our submission talking about the level of supervision and the training is to highlight that when a client comes to us for legal assistance, they're not just working with a law student who is out there on their own. They're actually getting the benefit of a team, a supervising lawyer and a law student. As you'll see when you look at our brief, many of our clinics offer other kinds of assistance. We have many criminal clients who are simultaneously family clients or refugee clients. They're accessing support through our social work services.
For a low-income, vulnerable client who is probably racialized and may not speak English, if the alternatives are getting our assistance or nothing, I would very strongly say they're better off getting assistance from our clinics.