Thank you, both of you. I encourage you to keep advocating and keep fighting for what you believe in because I think it's very important that Canadians hear your voices. Thank you for all that you do.
I want to ask a question of Debra Parkes, if I could.
You said something, and Ms. Taman I think echoed it a little bit. Your point of view is that we need comprehensive sentencing reform, but what we're getting through hybridization actually won't achieve the goals and may make matters worse. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but is that in a nutshell what you're saying?