Evidence of meeting #113 for Justice and Human Rights in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreed.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Shannon Davis-Ermuth  Legal Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Policy Sector, Department of Justice
Tony Clement  Parry Sound—Muskoka, CPC
Arif Virani  Parkdale—High Park, Lib.
Matthew Taylor  Acting Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Policy Sector, Department of Justice
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Olivier Champagne

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

No, it comes into clause 75. We had passed the amendment, and then I asked whether we should have a vote and you said that we didn't need one.

7:05 p.m.

The Clerk

That was because the amendment was to create a new clause.

Sometimes members will think that we need to vote on the amendment, and then on the new clause. That's why I said we didn't need to.

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Okay, but clause 75 is replaced by the new clause.

Either we voted and accepted it and we now move on to clause 76, or we need to vote and we should vote now.

7:05 p.m.

The Clerk

My understanding was that we voted on LIB-6.

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

We voted on LIB-6 to replace what's there in clause 75 with a new clause. That's what the effect of it is.

7:05 p.m.

The Clerk

My understanding is that we did not vote on clause 75 as amended.

7:05 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

LIB-6 amends clause 75. It changes what's in clause 75 to repeal what's there. There is no clause 75 that remains, because of LIB-6.

I just need to understand. As a result of that past amendment, have we already achieved a new clause 75 or do we need to vote on LIB-6 being clause 75?

7:10 p.m.

The Clerk

There is still text in—

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

No, because it's repealed. The effect of LIB-6 is to repeal the clause that would have been in clause 75. Subsection 210(1) of the Criminal Code is now repealed, or would be repealed.

7:10 p.m.

The Clerk

That's what the new clause 75, as amended, says.

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Yes. We're all in agreement. We're in violent agreement.

We passed that motion. Do we need to vote on clause 75?

7:10 p.m.

The Clerk

Yes.

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Got it.

We will now, just for the total sake of clarity, vote on clause 75 as amended by our having adopted the repeal under LIB-6.

(Clause 75 as amended agreed to)

(Clauses 76 and 77 agreed to)

(On clause 78)

For clause 78, we have CPC-43.

Mr. Clement.

7:10 p.m.

Parry Sound—Muskoka, CPC

Tony Clement

This is a provision pertaining to the offence of causing bodily harm by criminal negligence. I think we heard a number of deponents and witnesses who were concerned about this, if it's the clause that I'm thinking of. Regardless, it's our position that this should remain a solely indictable offence.

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

I think you are thinking of the drunk driving clause, which would be later. That's where your testimony...but either way I would understand—

7:10 p.m.

Parry Sound—Muskoka, CPC

Tony Clement

Either way, I'm indignant, Mr. Chair.

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

I see from the way your demeanour is that you're indignant. It's fantastic.

7:10 p.m.

Parry Sound—Muskoka, CPC

Tony Clement

I have self-righteous anger about it.

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

That's magnificent. You should have been on the stage years ago.

7:10 p.m.

Parry Sound—Muskoka, CPC

Tony Clement

Show business for ugly people, that's my definition of politics.

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

The good news is we can give a pitch for your wife's new book at this point, because that ties into the arts.

7:10 p.m.

Parry Sound—Muskoka, CPC

Tony Clement

That's right.

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

We will move to a vote on CPC-43.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 78 agreed to)

(Clauses 79 and 80 agreed to)

Do you want a break in the meeting at this point, Ms. Khalid, to have a discussion, or do you want to continue?

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

Iqra Khalid Liberal Mississauga—Erin Mills, ON

No, we can continue.

(On clause 81)

7:10 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

On clause 81, we have CPC-44.