Evidence of meeting #113 for Justice and Human Rights in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was agreed.

A recording is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Shannon Davis-Ermuth  Legal Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Policy Sector, Department of Justice
Tony Clement  Parry Sound—Muskoka, CPC
Arif Virani  Parkdale—High Park, Lib.
Matthew Taylor  Acting Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Policy Sector, Department of Justice
Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Olivier Champagne

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

A lesser charge that they can....

7:20 p.m.

Acting Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Policy Sector, Department of Justice

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Are we ready to vote, colleagues?

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 81 agreed to)

(Clauses 82 and 83 agreed to)

(On clause 84)

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

We turn to CPC-45.

I just want to understand. Has LIB-7 been judged to be an administrative error, Mr. Clerk?

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The Clerk

Yes, it's just a letter.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

It's a letter. That will be fixed administratively, so it's deemed to be done.

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The Clerk

Yes.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

On LIB-7, I just want to make sure that there's nothing conflicting and we don't do anything wrong.

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Liberal

Colin Fraser Liberal West Nova, NS

It's the missing letter “a”.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

It's missing “a” in the the word “coupable” in French.

They're saying that we don't actually have to pass an amendment to do it. They can do it administratively.

Is that understood everyone?

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Some hon. members

Yes.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Okay, perfect. Thank you.

LIB-7 is deemed to correct the spelling of “coupable”.

We will move to CPC-45

Mr. Clement.

7:20 p.m.

Parry Sound—Muskoka, CPC

Tony Clement

I understand now.

This crime is titled “Neglect to obtain assistance in childbirth”. Of course, we all want to protect our newborns.

I would encourage members to keep this as an indictable offence only.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Thanks very much.

If no one wishes to speak to that one, we'll move to a vote on CPC-45.

(Amendment negatived [See Minutes of Proceedings])

(Clause 84 agreed to)

(On clause 85)

On clause 85, we get to CPC-46.

7:20 p.m.

Parry Sound—Muskoka, CPC

Tony Clement

This amendment involves the administering of a noxious thing—

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Noxious—that's awful.

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Parry Sound—Muskoka, CPC

Tony Clement

It is, just ask Socrates

It's causing a person to take poison.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Did he self-administer that, though?

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Parry Sound—Muskoka, CPC

Tony Clement

No, he did not. I mean, he drank it. He was in the jail alone, but after a very long and boring speech, he did in fact administer it himself.

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Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

I wonder who made that speech.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

Ron McKinnon Liberal Coquitlam—Port Coquitlam, BC

The speech actually was the noxious thing.

7:20 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

It must have been a political speech then.

Sorry, Mr. Clement, back to you.

7:25 p.m.

Parry Sound—Muskoka, CPC

Tony Clement

I know we're joking, but we all know that this is serious.

Certainly to cause to be administered poison or something similar to that, in our view, should remain a solely indictable offence.

7:25 p.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Can I ask a question to the department again? I'm looking at this as an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term of not more than 14 years.

Are there many 14-year offences that are hybridized?

7:25 p.m.

Acting Senior Counsel, Criminal Law Policy Section, Policy Sector, Department of Justice

Matthew Taylor

No. The decision, as I think has been articulated, relates to the indictable offences punishable by 10 years or more.

If you look at proposed paragraph (b)—