I think it's very interesting that you reference that old report. It feeds into what I thought when I got here today, which is that issue is not in the proposed legislation. I thought we'd debated that and we'd all moved on to an acceptance that a presumption of equal time didn't work in Australia, was incredibly problematic and promoted conflict. I joked about it earlier, but had I known there was going to be a major amount of this discussion on a presumption of equal time, I would have spoken to it. It's not possible for me to be more strongly opposed to it. I think it's nothing but trouble.
If what we're working on is giving fathers a sense of equality in our justice system or propping them up to a place where judges or mediators now look at them as full and equal parents, that has happened. If anything, they are the strongest, most powerful interest group in Canada. They have affected, depending on your perspective, the mindset of judges at the Court of Appeal for Ontario, at the highest court in the land. I think they're a massively successful interest group, and we don't need to worry about that. We have 50% of people who don't go to court, who settle their cases without separation agreements, without anything. Then we have people who argue, and for those people, if you put a presumption on that, you'll just increase the amount of litigation and arguments.