Evidence of meeting #154 for Justice and Human Rights in the 42nd Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was ideas.

A video is available from Parliament.

On the agenda

MPs speaking

Also speaking

Clerk of the Committee  Mr. Marc-Olivier Girard
Lindsay Shepherd  As an Individual
John Robson  As an Individual
Mark Steyn  As an Individual

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Why did you condemn Mr. Cuomo?

I'm asking you a very simple question. Why did you condemn—

9:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Mark Steyn

The words I chose are the words I chose, and you are free to interpret them as you so wish.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

I'm asking you a very simple question.

9:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Mark Steyn

No, you're doing what is perhaps the most repulsive aspect of this committee, which is trying to force people to deny certain things they said five, 10, 15 years ago—

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

I'm asking questions. That's my job here.

9:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Mark Steyn

—as if there is only one correct position on Islam—

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

No, I'm not. I'm asking you a question. I think that's my job.

9:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Mark Steyn

—on immigration, on climate change, on transgender bathrooms and on same sex marriage. We cannot keep going on saying this is the correct line, and—

June 4th, 2019 / 9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Mr. Steyn, I have to say that I completely agree with Mr. Garrison. This isn't an abstract exercise. I'm just asking you a simple question.

9:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Mark Steyn

I will tell you something with respect to that, too. I'm not going to bandy death threats with Mr. Garrison. I take it he's had them.

I appeared on stage at the Danish parliament. I had to be protected by Danish secret police security service. The British foreign office and the United States Department of State said it was not safe for British nationals or U.S. citizens to go near that event. When I appeared there five years before—

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Mr. Steyn, I don't understand why you can't answer a simple question.

9:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Mark Steyn

—I was on stage with four other people, one of whom had her restaurant firebombed, the other of whom had her event shut up.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

Could you answer my question, Mr. Steyn? Could you kindly take my questions?

9:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Mark Steyn

No, I'm telling you that there are all kinds of people who get death threats, and if the alternative is surrendering our liberty over death threats—

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Ali Ehsassi Liberal Willowdale, ON

No, that's not what I'm suggesting.

9:50 a.m.

As an Individual

Mark Steyn

—to hell with that, sir.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Thank you. The time has elapsed.

I want to thank all of our witnesses today. One of the important parts of discourse is that we try to do so reasonably even if we strongly disagree and, hopefully, we continue to do that.

I really appreciate very much all of you being here today.

We have an in camera meeting that comes up to discuss a report.

Mr. Barrett, did you have something before we do that?

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Yes, Mr. Chair.

Just for consistency's sake, if there are any other meetings today that were televised at your prerogative, I would move a motion that we don't televise the rest of our proceedings for today and have them broadcast in audio only on the same basis of consistency that I supported the previous motion.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Would that be related to the Google meeting this afternoon?

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Right.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

Sorry, witnesses, I will thank you in a second.

It's a non-debatable, non-amendable motion to not televise the meeting this afternoon with the representatives from Google.

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

I will ask for a recorded vote.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

The Chair Liberal Anthony Housefather

It's scheduled to be televised.

9:50 a.m.

Liberal

Colin Fraser Liberal West Nova, NS

Is it scheduled to be televised?

9:50 a.m.

Conservative

Michael Barrett Conservative Leeds—Grenville—Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, ON

Yes, as was this, so just for consistency, but that was done at the chair's prerogative.