If my colleagues agree, I just have brief question.
Previously you were asked what the amount is that the federal government should contribute, what you would recommend that this committee tell the government we should contribute. I think it's difficult to come up with a number and we can always find formulas, but I think the most likely formula is that this current formula penalizes the working poor. It seems very clear that people on social assistance can get legal aid and a working poor person is discriminated against because they have a job and they're trying to sustain their families at a very low income level.
I think the real question that we should be asking witnesses is what level of income is it or what type of person today is not qualifying for legal aid who should qualify and what should this committee recommend that these national benchmarks, if we had them, be set at, and then from that we can extrapolate how much funding is needed. Does anybody have any ideas on what that amount should be?