It has just occurred to me—I think slowly—that with regard to the intermediary partnerships I was talking about, one of the clinics partnered with an aboriginal organization. They didn't produce very many assessments and referrals, so we went out and asked them why. The people managing the aboriginal service told us that young aboriginal people want to talk to elders. They want to talk to aboriginal lawyers. So there's a matter of trust here.
With regard to the clinics, similar to what Kasari was talking about in terms of the legal aid clinic system in Ontario, for example, there's an aboriginal justice clinic. At least for now, given the state of relations, I think that's what will make a difference: developing delivery mechanisms that establish trust. If you don't have that, they won't come.