I'm now going to turn to Mr. Dore from Australia.
You talked a little bit about the juror support program in Victoria, and you cited some statistics. Seventeen jurors used the program in 2016 and eight jurors in 2017. That just seems like a really low number.
Is there any explanation for this? We've heard from a number of witnesses, including as Mr. Bornstein intimated here today, that at least half of jurors have some negative feelings or negative impact as a result of their jury service. Yet, in the face of what seems to be a fairly common problem—even if, as Ms. Donaldson indicated, it's 10%—you mentioned 17 jurors in 2016 and eight jurors in 2017.
That's staggeringly low, but it is interestingly consistent with evidence that was brought to the committee from Ontario, where I think there's somewhere in the neighbourhood of 7,000 jurors each year in the province of Ontario, and yet since they started their juror support program only 20 or so people per year have used the program.
I'm just very interested in that.