I think it's all of the above. All of those things are important.
I sometimes say that when I became prime minister, nobody who looked or sounded like me had ever done that job before. It was the same thing when I became minister of justice. What you want to do is to create a sense of the ordinariness of a whole different variety of people who do certain jobs. When we interviewed Justice Jamal in the course of our proceedings, one of the things he said was how touched he was by the number of racialized lawyers and judges who looked to him when he went to the Ontario court of appeal. He hadn't expected that.
It was very [Technical difficulty—Editor]. In all of these things, the more people you get, the greater the diversity of faces, views, backgrounds and realities, the more others see themselves reflected. It starts at the bottom and it goes all the way up. It means making sure that you're not just tapping the shoulders of those who are the most familiar to you.