That's correct. I think part of the challenge is who has access and opportunity to actually begin the process of a complaint or bring in a complaint. It's understanding that Black and indigenous women, who are systematically discriminated against, are some of the last people to feel they have a voice and an opportunity to complain about a judge because of the inherent biases and racism and discrimination they face at that intersection of gender and race.
For us, it's beyond training; it's more about a culture shift.