Evidence of meeting #88 for Justice and Human Rights in the 44th Parliament, 1st Session. (The original version is on Parliament’s site, as are the minutes.) The winning word was c-40.
A recording is available from Parliament.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab
Actually, that's what I've been told here. Yes, we have to go to a vote.
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Conservative
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab
No, not this particular one. We will have a vote on the motion and then deal with whatever afterwards.
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Liberal
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Some hon. members
Yes.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab
The motion is that we proceed with clause-by-clause for Bill C-40.
(Motion agreed to: yeas 7; nays 4)
The motion is adopted.
I want to correct something before we go to clause 2. I have two members of Parliament here virtually today, and both are females, so I'm not alone. Both have considerable legal and litigation experience. I want to ensure that we have that on record.
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Bloc
Rhéal Fortin Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC
Madam Chair, given the situation at the beginning of the meeting, I didn't ask you whether the audio tests had been successfully completed. You're signalling that they were, but I see that Mrs. Brière doesn't have her headset on.
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Bloc
Rhéal Fortin Bloc Rivière-du-Nord, QC
I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that she's not going to speak?
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab
That's correct. She doesn't need one if she's not going to speak.
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Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC
On a point of order, Madam Chair, we had two points of order. Do they just evaporate into the ether at this point? Neither of them was heard.
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Liberal
The Chair Liberal Lena Metlege Diab
I already answered them.
Okay, tell me. What is it that you want, again?
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Conservative
Frank Caputo Conservative Kamloops—Thompson—Cariboo, BC
With all due respect, he was speaking about the requirement in the motion that the minister appear and why that didn't happen. It was not a permissive motion. It was a mandatory motion that he appear by that date. We didn't even hear Mr. Van Popta's point of order.
That's my point. What happens? People raise points of order and they aren't heard.
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Conservative
Rob Moore Conservative Fundy Royal, NB
Madam Chair, I have a point of order. I would like to raise it now, as is proper.
The motion was that the minister appear “for no fewer than two hours regarding the Supplementary Estimates” and that the meeting take place “as soon as possible, and no later than December 7”.
It's December 7 and the minister isn't here to—
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Liberal
James Maloney Liberal Etobicoke—Lakeshore, ON
I'm sorry, but I'm going to interrupt again.
Madam Chair, with all due respect, these points of order have all been spoken about, addressed and ruled on. We just voted to move to clause-by-clause. Hearing from Mr. Moore or anybody else on issues we already went over extensively today is out of order.
4:10 p.m.
Conservative
Rob Moore Conservative Fundy Royal, NB
Madam Chair, with all due respect to Mr. Maloney's comments, I don't have an answer to my point of order.
The question was, when is the minister going to abide by the motion we passed unanimously as a committee? This committee passed a motion that the minister be here today. The minister is not here today. My question, Madam Chair, is this: When is the minister going to be here? This is ignoring the will of this committee.
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Conservative